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How to get/use bitcoins anonymously?

Hi y'all
I would like to know how can I get bitcoin so I could use it on the web anonymously?
If I buy bitcoins with my card/PayPal and put it into my wallet on desktop PC using VPN and then send it to another wallet on my laptop with VPN and TOR would it be still traceable? I am using Wasabi wallet on both devices.
Sorry for a noob question
Have a good one & stay safe

*edit: spelling
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How to trade Bitcoin Future

How to trade Bitcoin Future


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Bitcoin is troublesome to use.
But bitcoin’s isue may build it additional valuable.
So, what’ reality regarding bitcoin’s future?
Bitcoin mining may be a senseless waste of energy.
As bitcoin hits mainstream media, the subject of bitcoin mining
bubble regarding to pop.For ten years, the media has enjoyed painting bitcoin as a bubble concerning to pop. They’ve gleefully pronounced the bubble popped and bitcoin dead … over 350 times. However the reality regarding bitcoin is that it keeps coming back back. Why?

Charlie Munger called bitcoin “worthless artificial gold.” Others in the media have likened bitcoin to a bubble, a “tulip mania,” and different strong statements
Each time bitcoin improves itself (like with Segwit
Segregated Witnesses. A protocol implemented by Bitcoin to extend transaction speed. SegWit allows a lot of transactions to be written into a single block on a blockchain.

or the Lightning Network), or will increase in value, the media is keen and ready to jump on it, decrying and denouncing it.
Therefore what’s the reality behind bitcoin’s price -- is it extremely a bubble?
The reality regarding bitcoin is straightforward; it's experiencing the same rise and fall cycles as each new technology and asset catego
The web also experienced a bubble. Shares of dotcom firms rose by a thousandpercent on a daily basis. Then it all tumbled down. However we have a tendency to’re still using the web, aren’t we have a tendency to? More than ever, in fact.

Stocks conjointly experienced big boom and bust cycles, especially in their early days.

We might feel like stocks have been around forever -- and to us they need. However stocks conjointly had a starting, and a rough one too. Once upon a time in 1531, when the first stocks were invented, they saw extraordinary volatility, scams, and no regulation. In fact, before stock exchanges, they were sold at occasional shops -- just like cryptocurrencies were sold on la peer to peer

marketplace, before exchanges came online.
Even property, viewed by the majority as “the safest investment” experienced a dramatic cycle. Business Insider reported that “Between 2006 and 2014, nearly ten million homeowners in America saw the foreclosure sale of their own homes.” And tens of thousands became homeless as a result of of it. Nevertheless --- we have a tendency to’re still living in homes, aren’t we?

The future of bitcoin would possibly be the identical as that of stocks, bonds, assets, and the web. It rises and falls like all the others, and it is currently terribly volatile -- but that’s as a result of it’s young.

Stocks have been around for 400 years. Dotcom corporations for forty years. Bitcoin is solely 10 years previous -- and cryptocurrencies, normally, are even younger. But slowly, they will become a part of our daily lives.

Rich investors are manipulating costs!
Look at this headline from the Independent: “Bitcoin price Crash: 'Manipulative Whales

Whale
A very wealthy individual capable of creating massive trades.
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' cause Cryptocurrency Market Meltdown!”
It’s sensationalism, pure and straightforward. The article goes on to rant against these therefore-known as “whales” -- individuals who own voluminous dollars of BTC -- as evil-doers who’s solely thought is profit.

This type of sensationalism is meant to harm Bitcoin’s future; to scare people faraway from doing research and thinking for themselves.

Nonetheless, this statement is somewhat true. Up to eighty five% of Bitcoin’s supply is solely owned by onepercent of wallet addresses.




But there’s an important point to be made about these numbers. Most of the prime percentage of wallets is not owned by whales -- but by exchanges

Exchange
On-line platforms on which people can buy and sell cryptocurrencies.
View full glossary
.
However their result is getting smaller and smaller.
A company referred to as Chainalysis -- that makes a speciality of analyzing the Bitcoin blockchain

-- found that “the actual threat that all whales pose to the cryptocurrency economy is relatively low. If they sold off their entire holdings, it'd be effectively a $3.9 billion sale at current costs. That’s not even tenpercent of this total market capitalization of Bitcoin.”
This is as a result of, as I hinted above, several of those wallets holding such vast sums are the ‘cold wallets

’ (wallets held offline) belonging to major exchanges like Coinbase, Kraken, Binance, and more. These wallets cannot be used to manipulate the price, diminishing the potential impact of enormous ‘whales’ selling their positions.
Bitcoin is simply too slow for use as a currency.
The reality regarding Bitcoin is that yes, it's slower than VISA, Mastercard, and alternative centralized electronic payment systems.

Paying together with your credit cards takes seconds and the network can handle payments around the globe twenty fouseven. But, though Bitcoin can additionally be used around the world, confirmation

of payment takes an average of 10 minutes; during the bitcoin craze recently 2017, confirmation times might take hours.
Moreover, VISA on average processes around 2,00zero transactions per second (tps). This means the amount of payments individuals make per second on the network. VISA includes a maximum of twenty four,00zero TPS. Bitcoin, by distinction, has a maximum of ten TPS. This argument has been place forward by several critics over the years and picked up by the media as the doom of bitcoin’s future.

However Bitcoin could be a technology that evolves.
Now let’s assume regarding Bitcoin’s past for a moment. The coin and its underlying technology -- the blockchain -- are only ten years previous. When the web was ten years old -- the year was 1989. Do you keep in mind the net in 1989? I sure do.



payments in exchange for not revealing sensitive info. So, in bound ways that, BTC and cryptocurrencies offer hackers a lot of options.
However money continues to be king for every criminality.
Though it’s true that hackers and phishers do typically ask for payment in BTC

There’s an aphorism: “money talks.” It means that that if you would like to get something done -- the best argument you can build is to place down a stack of money. When Bitcoin rose to fame, the primary headlines focused around Bitcoin being the prime choice for criminality.

But Lilita Infante, Special Agent for the DEA (Drug Enforcement Administration) has some contradictory info regarding this. She was one among a ten-person Cyber Investigative Task Force team whose primary aim was the dark web and crypto-related investigations. This cluster is no little force. They collaborate with the Department of Justice, FBI, and also the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives. And she went on the record to talk regarding what share of bitcoin transactions are literally being employed for illegal things; she said that “illegal activity has shrunk to about 10 p.c.”

Only tenp.c of all the transactions on the Bitcoin network could be used for illegal things. Which number is falling.

The fall in Bitcoin’s use among criminals is due to several factors. The most prominent factor is that Bitcoin is no longer anonymous. Sciencemag wrote a full report on how governments are developing and using techniques to explore the Bitcoin blockchain and notice criminals by tracing their bitcoin payments.

Paying with bitcoin isn’t simple.
I’ve heard this argument flow into widely throughout the years. I still hear it from my grandpa each vacation dinner. He didn’t see a Bitcoin checkout option at the grocery when he bought the turkey -- therefore it’ll never be used.



Perhaps Bitcoin is on its means to being such a store of worth. For 10 years now bitcoin has been ready to be saved and retrieved and exchanged -- and it’s worth has only gone up (bumpy but up).

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Bitcoin is difficult to use.
Bitcoin, like all new technologies, isn't the most user-friendly.

You would like to line up a wallet, bear in mind a seed phrase, and several additional steps. Sending and receiving BTC

payments additionally involves steps of copy/pasting long strings of random letters and numbers. It’s powerful, I hear ya.


I additionally keep in mind all the steps I needed to require to send emails back when those were new. Insert a CD from AOL into my computer. Install AOL. Unplug my phone line. Plug in my Modem. Wait for it to make all those noises and finally connect. Then set up my AOL email and password. It was quite the method.

My grandfather never thought emails would come out and even my mother said folks would perpetually like handwriting letters (and using a physical dictionary for spell check!) and sending through the post.


Think about it the approach we tend to assume about gold. Not everyone has gold. It’s also a bit difficult to own.

If you wish to own gold for its ‘store of price’ properties, you wish to seek out a specialized look to buy investment gold. You need to store it somewhere, sort of a personal safe or a bank vault, and bear in mind the password. This is somewhat troublesome.

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Perhaps Bitcoin’s problem will facilitate it retain its value, just like gold
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[MOD] Proper Title Format and Reminder on Buying/Selling Safely - How to Avoid Scams

We've noticed a decline (again) in proper title formatting and an uptick in many rules just being ignored. In order to maintain the quality of life for both the users and mods, we're going to an active moderation stance on reviewing posts. A mod will reply on your thread confirming removal due to the post title and we will ask that you repost your thread with the proper title format.
All posts must have a country code regardless of whether it's a digital sale or physical sale.
The proper title format is as follows:
[Country Abbreviation Goes Here] [H] Games [W] PayPal / Amazon
or if you're looking to buy something
[Country Abbreviation Goes Here] [H] PayPal [W] Games, Console, Accessories, etc.
For example, if you're located in Canada, you would use [CAN]. If you are located in the United States, you would use [USA].So on and so forth.
If you want to do a local transaction, you can include your exact state or providence in your post text.
[H] = Have [W] = Want

TIPS FOR SAFE SELLING

We are going to try to point out some tell-tale signs of the most Common Scams so you can hopefully identify them and walk away before being taken advantage of!

IF IT SEEMS TOO GOOD TO BE TRUE - IT PROBABLY IS.

Is someone offering you an AMAZING deal mere seconds after you posted your thread?!?
HIT PAUSE!!
DON'T RUSH to accept your first offer. Slow down, take a deep breathe.
TAKE YOUR TIME! Chances are that if you simply give your thread a few hours, you will get several offers!
Then you can research, investigate and EVENTUALLY choose who you want to swap with, sell to or buy from.

DIGITAL CODES ARE HIGH RISK ITEMS...

Once redeemed, you cannot get back your Digital Code, PSN/XBL credit, or your Amazon Gift Card.
If you give one out and it gets redeemed, it's gone forever... so don't rush into a deal.

BEFORE SWAPPING... GET TO KNOW YOUR PARTNER

FIRST ask yourself...
Where did the offer come from?!
Was it made to me in my Public Trade Thread? [COOL]
Or was it sent directly to me in a PM? [NOT COOL]

REMEMBER: Banned users can still send you PM's!

  • You should always require a comment in your thread before swapping with ANYONE.
  • It doesn't matter how much rep they have, how old their account is, or how much karma they have.
  • No comment in your Thread -- NO DEALS.
  • Scammers/banned users can still browse the forums and send PM's but they cannot post in threads.
  • We can't double-ban users who are already banned.
  • PLEASE STOP negotiating through PM's with banned users! This happens FAR TOO OFTEN.
Reminder: For a deal to count towards Flair, we REQUIRE a comment from your partner in your thread... and everyone wants flair... right?! If you accept an offer via a PM it can never count towards flair.
TL;DR: If you accept offers in Private Messages you're going to get scammed. Enough already.
NEXT...ask youself...
How old is their account?
  • Are you, as the OP, checking the Account Age of the people sending you offers?
Do they have Flair, Completed Trades, an /MushroomKingdom Thread, or Rep Elsewhere??
  • When checking their Rep are you checking that the user is actually linking THEIR OWN REP?
  • Check the spelling and account age on the Rep page (/MushroomKingdom thread, etc)
  • Compare it to the spelling and account age of the user commenting in your thread. Are they the same?
  • Scammers may create accounts with similar looking names to trick you into thinking they have "rep".
  • Is the user linking to 'rep' on /Mushroomkingdom or are they using a personal subreddit?
  • We will NEVER vet trades on someone's personal subreddit.
  • If they link you to a personal subreddit for 'rep' - that is an immediate red flag.
What other subreddits do they post on?
  • Are they an obnoxious human being? Do they troll Subs or users in other Subs?
  • Are they only posting in giveaway threads and asking for freebies?
  • Have you used the Universal Scammer List search option? It takes a minute or two to search and give you an update on when, where and why they were banned.
  • Do they have an old account, but no posts, comments, or submission history AT ALL?!? (HUGE red flag)

PAYPAL GIFT (Friends/Family) V. GOODS & SERVICES

  • If you pay someone via PayPal, understand the risks and differences between the two types of payments.
  • There is a 3% fee for payments sent as goods/services but it allows you to initiate a claim if there is a problem.
  • If you send payment as a gift (F&F), you CANNOT initiate a claim to dispute the charges.
  • As a buyer spending an extra 3% for your item shouldn't add more than $1-2 to the cost of your item.
  • As a seller you could just build that cost into the price of your item. You can not, as per PayPals terms of service, ask the buyer to "cover fees" out right.
  • Also, as a seller, you have the Invoice option which provides sellers protection. Please review how to properly send an invoice over at PayPal.

USE TRACKING & EXPECT TRACKING

Domestic Shipping using Paypal will always include free tracking. So does EVERY method of Domestic shipping from the Post Office and UPS/FedEx.
  • Just because someone gives you a tracking number, doesn’t mean that the item has been shipped.
  • You can generate a tracking number online without sending anything.
  • If you’re expecting the other party to go first, make sure the package is updated on the USPS website as "package received" and NOT just "shipping information received".
  • Scammers may generate a tracking number for you but never actually ship the item.

THE FAKE PAYPAL INVOICE SCAM

You've agreed to sell an item to a buyer...
The Buyer says - check your e-mail, "Payment" sent".
The Buyer actually sends you an invoice - NOT - payment.
The Scammer will fake a Payment Confirmation... by creating an invoice - and immediately marking it paid.
  • Paypal allows the sender of an Invoice to write whatever they want in the message field. So a scammer may write something like, "You have received a payment from ScammerMcScammerFace. Payments may can take 24-48 hours to appear in your Paypal Account".
  • This may create the illusion that you have received payment when in reality - the Buyer has just created an invoice - sent it to you - and marked it paid immediately.
  • In reality, Paypal Payments normally appear immediately. So check your account... if you don't see any payment - or pending payment - it might be a scam.
  • While Paypal may hold funds - or delay their availability - the transaction almost always shows up in your Paypal Activity immediately.
  • If the user starts to get pushy, playing the victim, calling you a scammer or really doing anything other than saying, "Let me know when the payment shows up"... immediately MESSAGE THE MODS.
  • An exmaple can be seen here: Paypal Invoice Scam

OBVIOUS RED FLAGS

NEW ACCOUNTS
If the account is only hours old, or even a few days old, be on high alert. Not all new accounts are scammers, but I’d bet a very large portion are, ESPECIALLY if they’re asking you to send first.
THE VICTIMS PLEA
“Oh, I’ve been scammed before, so I’m not comfortable sending first” or "I need money quickly to buy _________ (fill in the blank - game on sale, food, medicine, etc)". While this may be true for some people, that's not your problem. If you are inclined to believe them - ask for proof of the scam. When did it happen? How? What was it for? Do they have any confirmed trades? Did they report it? Did they post on /BadKarma?
REQUIRES A NON-REFUNDABLE PAYMENT
It’s one thing if someone prefers or asks for gift payments or Amazon/Xbox/Playstation gift cards, but anyone that won’t even give you the option to using Paypal (Goods/Services) is most likely a scammer. The scammer wants you to pay using a source that offers no buyer protection. If you pay for something using any kind of Gift Card of Digital Credit instead of Paypal goods/services, you cannot dispute the payment to reclaim your money if you get scammed... so stop it.
ACCEPTS GOODS/SERVICES, BUT ACCOUNT UNVERFIED
Unverified accounts means Paypal has NO personal information about that user. No Bank Account, No Address. NOTHING. If you are dealing with an Unverified Account - I would exercise caution. While most Unverified Accounts may not be scammers, I may ask that they go first - or walk away if I see other red flags along with their Unverified Status.
ALTERNATE CURRENCIES
Is a user only accepting Amazon gift cards, Digital currencies (bitcoin) or PSN/XBL Credit? Personally - I will NEVER pay for an item with those types of currencies. If the user wants PSN Credit... let them buy it on their own with the money I send them in Paypal. These digital currencies are HIGH RISK items that can not be reclaimed once used.
I NEED YOU TO PAY FIRST SO I CAN AFFORD TO SHIP YOUR ITEM
Don't walk... RUN. If someone doesn’t even have $5 to ship an item to you, you are probably never going to see the item anyway.

RULE AND COMMON COURTESY REMINDERS

NO THREAD CRAPPING
This comes in all shapes and sizes, but it boils down to one thing, if your comment does nothing except hinder another users ability to make a transaction, be it a trade or sale/purchase, it is thread crapping. Using comparison prices in order to negotiate is ok. Asking why in the hell someone thinks they’ll get $25 for a game when it is currently “on sale everywhere for $20” is not. This isn’t just common courtesy – it’s a rule, and for good reason.
REPLY TO ALL OFFERS
And be civil in doing so. We want people to enjoy exchanging games without worrying about aggressive attitudes. It takes less than 5 seconds to reply “no thanks” if you’re not interested in someone’s offer. We have a D.B.A.D. (don't be a dick) rule here for good reason and bans will be handed out to anyone that refuses to treat everyone with respect.
STAY IN CONTACT
We’re all human beings. We all have family, school, work, bills, lives, etc. Shit happens. Things come up. Sometimes delays occur... and that’s okay. Just keep your trade partner informed, and don’t let a delay turn into a non-delivery. Because then you’re gonna have a bad time.
USE THE REPORT FEATURE & SEND A MOD-MESSAGE
There’s no need for you to enforce the rules yourself. If you see a violation of the rules, hit report and enter a reason. These come to us anonymously, though you’re free to put your name in the report if you’d like. If you report something PLEASE also message the moderators if the report requires explanation. If you report a thread and say, "User is a scammer" you HAVE to message us with proof. We want to ban scammers... but we have to have proof. As moderators, we aren’t all on 24/7, and sometimes things will slip past us. We will always rely on the community to help us weed out the bad apples. So hit report, send us a message, but don’t get into a pissing contest over the rules with other users.
As for us, as moderators – our “door” is always open. We try to keep this community nice and make it the spot you want to come to for finding your next game to play or help your collection grow. We are always open to hearing input and ideas from the community so feel free to send them to us. Let us know how we’re doing. Bring concerns to our attention. We’ll do everything that we’re able to do to help out.
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[MOD] Safe Swapping Thread || How to Identify and Avoid Scams || PLEASE READ!!

TIPS FOR SAFE SWAPPING/SELLING

We are going to try to point out some tell-tale signs of the most Common Scams so you can hopefully identify them and walk away before being taken advantage of!

IF IT SEEMS TOO GOOD TO BE TRUE - IT PROBABLY IS.

Is someone offering you an AMAZING deal mere seconds after you posted your thread?!?
HIT PAUSE!!
DON'T RUSH to accept your first offer. Slow down, take a deep breathe.
TAKE YOUR TIME... chances are... if you simply give your thread a few hours, you will get several offers!
Then you can Research, Investigate and EVENTUALLY choose who you want to swap with, sell to or buy from.

DIGITAL CODES ARE HIGH RISK ITEMS...

Under no circumstances should you give out a Digital Code before being paid.
You don't walk into Best Buy - redeem a digital code and then pay for it later.
Once redeemed, you cannot get back your Digital Code, PSN/XBL credit, or your Amazon Gift Card.
If you give one out and it gets redeemed, it's gone forever... so don't rush into a deal.

BEFORE SWAPPING... GET TO KNOW YOUR PARTNER

FIRST ask yourself...
Where did the offer come from?!
Was it made to me in my Public Trade Thread? [COOL]
Or was it sent directly to me in a PM? [NOT COOL]

REMEMBER: Banned users can still send you PM's!

  • You should always require a comment in your Public Trade Thread before swapping with ANYONE.
  • It doesn't matter how much rep they have, how old their account is, or how much karma they have.
  • No comment in your Public Trade Thread -- NO DEALS.
  • Scammers/banned users can still browse the forums and send PM's but they cannot post in threads.
  • We can't double-ban users who are already banned so...
  • PLEASE STOP negotiating through PM's with banned users! This happens FAR TOO OFTEN.
Reminder: For a deal to count towards Flair, we REQUIRE a comment from your partner in a Public Trade Thread... and everyone wants flair... right?! If you accept an offer via a PM it can never count towards flair.
TL;DR: If you accept offers in Private Messages you're going to get scammed. Enough already.
Are you on a mobile device?
Are you having a hard time figuring out if a response was made in your Public Trade Thread or through a PM?
  • STOP negotiating trades on your mobile device.
  • /GameSale and /GameSwap should not be used from a mobile device. Too many variables.
  • Wait until you get to an actual computer so you can properly investigate your partner.
  • You need to be 100% positive that there was a comment in your thread and NOT just a PM.
  • Scammers may try to send you a PM with a subject line that matches the title of your most recent thread.
    • On a Mobile App, this may look like a Comment Reply. On an actual computer - it won't.
NEXT...ask youself...
How old is their account?
  • We provide that information to you for the Original Poster of the Thread (OP)... but are you... as the OP... also checking the Account Age of the people sending you offers?
Do they have Flair, Completed Trades, an /MushroomKingdom Thread, or Rep Elsewhere??
  • When checking their Rep are you checking that the user is actually linking THEIR OWN REP?
  • Check the spelling and account age on the Rep page (/MushroomKingdom thread, etc)
  • Compare it to the spelling and account age of the user commenting in your thread. Are they the same?
  • Scammers may create accounts with similar looking names to trick you into thinking they have "rep".
  • Is the user linking to 'rep' on /Mushroomkingdom or are they using a personal subreddit?
  • We will NEVER vet trades on someone's personal subreddit.
  • If they link you to a personal subreddit for 'rep' - that is an immediate red flag.
What other subreddits do they post on?
  • Are they an obnoxious human being? Do they troll Subs or users in other Subs?
  • Are they only posting in giveaway threads and asking for freebies?
  • Have you google'd their Reddit Name to check for other people reporting them as a scammer?
  • Do they have an old account, but no posts, comments, or submission history AT ALL?!? (HUGE red flag)

CODE V. PHYSICAL ITEMS

If someone scams you in a Physical Item Trade, you should have enough of the scammers personal information that you can file mail fraud charges with the United States Postal Service (a felony).
If someone Scams you on a Digital Items or trades involving Codes, you have limited options.
Digital Items are much riskier because a scammer does not need to provide you with any of their personal information (not a name, not an address - NOTHING).
  • If you purchase a Digital Item from Best Buy or Amazon... you don't get to redeem the code before you pay for it.
  • As such, you are welcome to try to convince me (as a seller) why I should give you my digital item before you've paid for it... but I am unlikely to be persuaded.
  • Buying/Selling items through Paypal Goods/Services provides protections to BOTH parties.
  • The 3% fee is nothing compared to losing 100% of what you had to sell/trade/buy.
  • If I fail to provide you the code as promised - a claim will be opened and paypal will return your money.
  • Sellers have no recourse if they give you the item and you subsequently decide not to pay.
  • Under no circumstances should you send payment as friends/family.

PAYPAL GIFT (Friends/Family) V. GOODS & SERVICES

If you are using PayPal you need to understand the differences between the two payment types.
  • There is a 3% fee for payments sent as Goods & Services.
  • Paying as Goods/Services allows you to initiate a claim if there is a problem with your deal.
  • There is no fee for payments sent as a gift (Friends & Family)
  • Paying as Gift (F&F) offers no buyer protection and you CANNOT initiate a claim to dispute the charges.
  • As a buyer spending an extra 3% for your item shouldn't add more than $1-2 to the cost of your item.
  • As a seller you could just build that cost into the price of your item.

USE TRACKING & EXPECT TRACKING

Domestic Shipping using Paypal will always include free tracking. So does EVERY method of Domestic shipping from the Post Office and UPS/FedEx.
  • Just because someone gives you a tracking number, doesn’t mean that the item has been shipped.
  • You can generate a tracking number online without sending anything.
  • If you’re expecting the other party to go first, make sure the package is updated on the USPS website as "package received" and NOT just "shipping information received".
  • Scammers may generate a tracking number for you but never actually ship the item.

THE FAKE PAYPAL INVOICE SCAM

You've agreed to sell an item to a buyer...
The Buyer says - check your e-mail, "Payment" sent".
The Buyer actually sends you an invoice - NOT - payment.
The Scammer will fake a Payment Confirmation... by creating an invoice - and immediately marking it paid.
  • Paypal allows the sender of an Invoice to write whatever they want in the message field. So a scammer may write something like, "You have received a payment from ScammerMcScammerFace. Payments may can take 24-48 hours to appear in your Paypal Account".
  • This may create the illusion that you have received payment when in reality - the Buyer has just created an invoice - sent it to you - and marked it paid immediately.
  • In reality, Paypal Payments normally appear immediately. So check your account... if you don't see any payment - or pending payment - it might be a scam.
  • While Paypal may hold funds - or delay their availability - the transaction almost always shows up in your Paypal Activity immediately.
  • If the user starts to get pushy, playing the victim, calling you a scammer or really doing anything other than saying, "Let me know when the payment shows up"... immediately MESSAGE THE MODS.
  • An exmaple can be seen here: Paypal Invoice Scam

OBVIOUS RED FLAGS

NEW ACCOUNTS
If the account is only hours old, or even a few days old, be on high alert. Not all new accounts are scammers, but I’d bet a very large portion are, ESPECIALLY if they’re asking you to send first.
THE VICTIMS PLEA
“Oh, I’ve been scammed before, so I’m not comfortable sending first” or "I need money quickly to buy _________ (fill in the blank - game on sale, food, medicine, etc)". While this may be true for some people, that's not your problem. If you are inclined to believe them - ask for proof of the scam. When did it happen? How? What was it for? Do they have any confirmed trades? Did they report it? Did they post on /BadKarma?
REQUIRES A NON-REFUNDABLE PAYMENT
It’s one thing if someone prefers or asks for gift payments or Amazon/Xbox/Playstation gift cards, but anyone that won’t even give you the option to using Paypal (Goods/Services) is most likely a scammer. The scammer wants you to pay using a source that offers no buyer protection. If you pay for something using any kind of Gift Card of Digital Credit instead of Paypal goods/services, you cannot dispute the payment to reclaim your money if you get scammed... so stop it.
ACCEPTS GOODS/SERVICES, BUT ACCOUNT UNVERFIED
Unverified accounts means Paypal has NO personal information about that user. No Bank Account, No Address. NOTHING. If you are dealing with an Unverified Account - I would exercise caution. While most Unverified Accounts may not be scammers, I may ask that they go first - or walk away if I see other red flags along with their Unverified Status.
ALTERNATE CURRENCIES
Is a user only accepting Amazon gift cards, Digital currencies (bitcoin) or PSN/XBL Credit? Personally - I will NEVER pay for an item with those types of currencies. If the user wants PSN Credit... let them buy it on their own with the money I send them in Paypal. These digital currencies are HIGH RISK items that can not be reclaimed once used.
I NEED YOU TO PAY FIRST SO I CAN AFFORD TO SHIP YOUR ITEM
Don't walk... RUN. If someone doesn’t even have $5 to ship an item to you, you are probably never going to see the item anyway.

RULE AND COMMON COURTESY REMINDERS

NO THREAD CRAPPING
This comes in all shapes and sizes, but it boils down to one thing. .. If your comment does nothing except hinder another users ability to make a transaction, be it a trade or sale/purchase, it is thread crapping. Using comparison prices in order to negotiate is ok. Asking why in the hell someone thinks they’ll get $25 for a game when it is currently “on sale everywhere for $20” is not. This isn’t just common courtesy – it’s a rule, and for good reason.
REPLY TO ALL OFFERS
...and be civil in doing so. There are enough assholes around the internet and we don’t want them here. We want people to have fun and enjoy exchanging games without worrying about aggressive attitudes. It takes less than 5 seconds to reply “no thanks” if you’re not interested in someone’s offer. We have a DBAD (don't be a dick) rule here for good reason and bans will be handed out to anyone that refuses to treat everyone with respect.
STAY IN CONTACT
We’re all human beings. We all have family, school, work, bills, lives, etc. Shit happens. Things come up. Sometimes delays occur... and that’s okay. Just keep your trade partner informed, and don’t let a delay turn into a non-delivery. Because then you’re gonna have a bad time…
USE THE REPORT FEATURE
There’s no need for you to enforce the rules yourself. If you see a violation of the rules, hit report and enter a reason. These come to us anonymously, though you’re free to put your name in the report if you’d like. If you report something PLEASE also message the moderators if the report requires explanation. If you report a thread and say, "User is a scammer" you HAVE to message us with proof. We want to ban scammers... but we have to have proof. As moderators, we aren’t all on 24/7, and sometimes things will slip past us. We will always rely on the community to help us weed out the bad apples. So hit report, send us a message, but don’t get into a pissing contest over the rules with other users.
As for us, as moderators – our “door” is always open. We try to keep this community nice and make it the spot you want to come to for game exchanges. We are always open to hearing input and ideas from the community so feel free to send them to us. It isn’t limited to ideas for how to run the sub either. Feel free to hit us with your best compliments and your worst complaints. Let us know how we’re doing. Bring concerns to our attention. We’ll do everything that we’re able to do to help out.
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Cryptocurrencies and the circle of competence

A quick note to investors that believe the intrinsic value of bitcoin is 0 because they can't do a DCF on it: this isn't the place to argue with me about it. I suggest you read a bit more about what it actually is (hint: not a currency). I've defended its value in plenty of other posts on this sub. It's a $40+ billion market, so at least a few people agree with me. I welcome you to short the crypto of your choice if you think it's worth nothing. This is a post for folks that believe that cryptocurrencies have at least some discernible value and are considering investing in them.
If we have a strength, it is in recognizing when we are operating well within our circle of competence and when we are approaching the perimeter. – Warren Buffett
Given the tripling of the cryptocurrency market cap in the last few months and the 3- to 10-fold increases in virtually every major altcoin, cryptocurrencies like Ethereum and of course Bitcoin have been getting a stunning amount of attention in the press and on this subreddit recently.
If you follow the cryptocurrency world closely, you know that there have been a huge amount of dubious ICOs (initial coin offerings) on the market recently. It's an explosive time in crypto.
It's also a frustrating time for many long term bitcoiners and crypto fans, because we're faced with a barrage of questions from outsiders who see the returns and want to buy in to the "next big thing" and make a quick buck. This is a warning to those people.
Everyone is a genius is a rising market. It's hard to go wrong these days in crypto. Even coins of dubious merit like Ripple, Dogecoin, Stellar, NEM were pumped 5 times without any fundamental change. Speculators/investors have thrown money at crypto indiscriminately and efficient markets have 100% broken down. The altcoin pump right now is roughly comparable to the Dot Com crisis of the early 2000s.
  1. New tech promises to change the world
  2. Investors jump in on hype and promises
  3. A surge of IPOs (ICOs) occurs to capitalize on this
  4. "Greater fool" traders pile in, thinking they can make money even if the underlying is unsound
  5. Analysts claim "this time is different" while seasoned old hands refuse to participate
  6. Tech is proven not to be as developed as everyone thinks, market tanks
  7. Select few decent companies survive, all the trash is destroyed
  8. Tech eventually fulfills expectations, 10 years later, but none of the investors from the early days make money on it
However, canny (and skeptical) investors can still make money on crypto, as cryptocurrencies are inevitable, and will continue to expand and proliferate, even when the altcoin crash comes.
Something to realize first of all is that the crypto market is heterogeneous. It has straightforward cryptocurrencies (bitcoin, litecoin, dash, monero), smart-contract cryptos (ethereum, ethereum classic) and a whole bunch of crypto tokens that follow dedicated platforms (golem, augur, steem). Not mentioned are ripple and stellar because they aren't really cryptocurrencies at all.
The investing theses for all of these categories is radically different. The measure of success for a currency or store of value is adoption, merchant use, low volatility, a large network, and real world acceptance as something worth owning. Bitcoin has this right now, which is why it's more than 50% of the ecosystem, and none of its competitors are even close. Monero, Zcash, and Dash are a special case in that they try and make transactions anonymous and privacy, allowing for use cases on the darknet markets, for instance.
The tech underlying bitcoin is essentially sound, although it is having a scalability crisis, which you should read about. It can't right now serve as a currency which will buy you a cup of coffee - the transaction fees are too high. However if you want to send $200,000 from Mexico to Indonesia or China to the Philippines, you can do it within 20 minutes, and with fees of a few dollars. And if you want to store your wealth in a vault that is totally secure, and cannot be debased by a central bank, bitcoin is a good bet. This is highly relevant to folks in India that just had cash abolished, to Venezuelans, to Argentines, to Cypriots, to Nigerians, anywhere local currencies are weak and volatile. The potential value of a competing cryptocurrency lies in whether it can improve materially on bitcoin, whether it means incorporating off-chain scaling (segwit with litecoin), making it more private and fungible (monero), automating governance (decred), and so on.
Then there are cryptoassets that incorporate smart contracts. These – ethereum and its derivatives – exploded when the SEC denied the Bitcoin ETF back in march and bitcoiners got worried and started diversifying. This is the market segment that is highly risky, even by crypto standards, in my opinion. Ethereum is a protocol that allows contracts to self-enforce. Programming power to run the contracts is paid for with ethereum. Two parties agree to a contract, and it then self-executes. It's secured by a decentralized computing network of ethereum miners, so the contracts cannot be shut down by a government or corporation. It's pretty clever. Last year, a $150+ million contract was drawn up with ethereum, which would act like a venture capital fund, picking good investments just based on the votes of the token holders. This was called a Decentralized Autonomous Organization, and it was hacked before it could do anything. Well, it was exploited based on the code and so the exploit was totally "fair" given that the contract was meant to be inevitable, once agreed to. However, the creators of Ethereum didn't like the idea of losing $50 million, so they decided to collectively agree to amend the rules of the protocol itself (violating "Code is Law"), and jump onto a new one, which they would also call Ethereum, although it was really Ethereum 2.0. Some people got upset by this, because they thought that immutability and not arbitrarily rolling back the code was more important than some investors losing money because of poorly written code. They created Ethereum Classic, which is the original Ethereum chain. This wasn't what the Ethereum 2.0 folks thought would happen, but it did happen, so there are two competing Ethereum chains now.
Eventually, lots of decentralized apps were funded, via tokensales. A development team would say: "we're going to use ethereum to create a decentralized cloud computing/AI/prediction/gambling/timestamping/social media network." And then investors would buy the tokens, expecting that eventually the dev team would deliver, and the tokens would be in demand, since they would be required to use the network. It's a bit like buying in-game-currency when the game is announced, anticipating that the game would be wildly popular and you'd be able to sell it on later at a profit or acquire it cheaply to buy in-game items later on. However, many of us think that the promises are a bit extravagant, and that investors in these ICOs are probably going to lose money. The incentives aren't well aligned. Founders can just not deliver and run off with the money, and there's no regulatory body to enforce that. And for Ethereum more broadly, many people are worried that the turing-completeness of the language will mean it will face serious threats and unforeseeable hacks, like with the DAO. Finally, Ethereum has increased from around $20 to $90 in a matter of months, which raises the question of whether a) the market realized its true value or b) it was pumped on speculation. There's a huge set of unknowns with a smart contract currency, and virtually none of the promised dapps are up and running right now, and the ones that are haven't really attracted large userbases or delivered. This is because the tech is in its infancy, and the developers are still learning how to use it properly. So we won't know if these sorts of decentralized networks are even possible to create on the timelines that investors are expecting. Therefore, ethereum investors buying it on the promise of the realization of this tech in the near future are almost guaranteed to be disappointed. Additionally, ethereum is making the switch to the largely untested Proof of Stake algorithm, which will change incentives that secure the network. This brings me to my key point:
Stay within your circle of competence. You can grow your circle – slowly. Cryptoassets are almost impossibly complex to grasp with just a cursory look. Investing in them requires weeks of reading and a very skeptical view.
The above was an introduction to cryptocurrencies, the different ones on offer, and why investing in ethereum is not the slam dunk everyone thinks it is. This portion of the post will tell you about the kind of due diligence you need to do if you want to invest, rather than speculate, in crypto.
The first thing to mention is that passive investing in crypto has historically been a terrible strategy. Just buying bitcoin almost always outperformed. This was due to the poor set of altcoins, and the size of bitcoin's almost insurmountable network effect. This sort of changed in March and April when bitcoin's dominance went from 80% to ~50%, and it remains to be seen if this will persist or not. But the point is, buying the index is usually an awful strategy in crypto, particularly because there are so many truly awful projects out there.
So what does it take to invest responsibly in cryptocurrencies? It requires at least a basic understanding of three disciplines: public-private key cryptography; programming, and how open-source projects function; and economics, particularly game theory and the quantity theory of money. This is why is is so difficult to apprehend easily: because very few people actually boast a sincere understanding of these three topics. I certainly don't.
You need to be able to determine whether the tech is actually going anywhere, and whether the task the developers have set themselves is possible or realistic. You need to know how open source networks are governed, and which models strike the best balance between efficiency of decision-making and fair consensus. You need to be able to measure the inflation schedule of the cryptocurrency, and see whether your coins are going to inflated away. You need to be able to make plausible guesses about the potential market for the crypto and estimate future values. Note that the payoff structure is not equity-like. It's more like early stage venture capital, or buying loss-making biotech companies. Here's my checklist of questions to answer, ordered by importance:
  • Does the project offer a significant improvement over its nearest competitor, or a reasonable chance of success in its stated aim? Is there a demand for this project? Does it have a concise and reasonable goal? (Narrower goal: higher likelihood of success).
  • Is the development team competent? Are they committed to the coin? What's their track record? Is is an active dev team? Do they have a roadmap for the future? Are they transparent about goals?
  • How is the development team funded? Is the currency corporate-backed? Is the funding transparent? Was the coin significantly premined? (Usually bad) Are developers paid via iterative community project crowdfunding? (Usually good).
  • What is the governance structure of the currency? Who holds ultimate control over decisionmaking? How are decisions made? Are they transparent? Are mining/developer incentives aligned?
  • Does the asset have acceptance and use today? Does it have a functioning use case? If it doesn't, does it have a decent chance of being accepted?
  • Has the asset's "market cap" tripled or quintupled in the last few months? Was this based on any fundamental changes (new software releases, etc) or just speculation?
  • What are the transaction volumes like? (Hint: divide market cap by monthly averaged daily on-chain tx volume to find a consistent ratio) What's the ratio of on-chain transaction versus exchange speculation? Has price gone up independent of transaction volumes?
  • How long has the asset been around? Think of the Lindy effect. Older is usually better.
  • What's the community like? Is there censorship? Does it have an active subreddit? Do the developers answer questions? Are they accessible? How big is the github community? (Hint: you can divide market cap by github commits to find a comparable ratio).
  • Are you psychologically able to hold this coin in a 90% downturn? Is this a high conviction thesis or are you betting on being able to sell it to a greater fool?
How long did it take you to learn about investing in equities? Reading balance sheets, running DCF and DRI models, figuring out how to value a stock based on comparables? Years? How many mistakes did you make before you figured out how to be responsible?
Cryptos are an asset class that is both radically different from anything that has existed before. They are also incredibly heterogeneous, as I argued above. It also leads to cultism – so bitcoiners generally take a dim view of ethereum, and vice versa. Monero fans generally don't like dash, and so on. You have to keep your mind open to understand new opportunities as they arise, and to stop yourself becoming too mentally invested in your project of choice. The vast majority of projects will fail within 5 years, so becoming overly certain of the success of one will probably devastate you. If you can stay balanced, stay honest about your crypto's chances of success and adoption, not get tunnel vision, and not take overly risky positions, you have a good chance of not losing everything. Remember the payoff structure. Heavily rightward skewed. A ton of cryptos earn no return and a select few earn an absurd (1,000-10,000x) return.
None of this is necessary if you just want to invest randomly in one of the top ten cryptos. That's the strategy of 95% of investors today. Pick a coin and go. If it's not bitcoin, I can pretty much guarantee you'll lose money. The newer, the worse.
I've not made an effort to convince you that cryptos have intrinsic value. If you've made it this far, you probably think they're worth something at least. However, they're probably not worth as much as the market is pricing them at right now. Especially not those in the ethereum family. I'm not going to tell you what to invest in, because that would defeat the purpose of this post. I'm telling you to do your due diligence before blindly buying a crypto. And that due diligence on ethereum is as complex and difficult as Tesla or Amazon DD. And that your skills in equity valuation are pretty much useless in this asset class. My circle of competence doesn't extend to options or lean pork futures, so I don't touch those. I suggest that until you really feel comfortable in crypto, you don't buy randomly.
Summative thoughts:
  1. Investing in crypto is hard
  2. 90% of people that invest at market peaks will lose money
  3. You have to extremely skeptical and invest in high-conviction positions
  4. Cryptos are exhibiting bubbly behavior right now, it's a pretty bad time to pick one out
  5. Cryptos are nothing like equities but they do have real value
  6. Cryptos are the future, but almost none of these coins will survive 10 years
  7. The older the better
  8. Governance is key
  9. These are speculative positions, only invest what you can tolerate losing
  10. You can make money investing in cryptos
  11. Passively investing in cryptos doesn't work
  12. It's a winner takes most market, there won't be 1 crypto that wins. There will be different cryptos for different use cases.
edit: deleted chart with probabilities of success because of subjectivity and oversimplification.
edit2: I've been overwhelmed with PMs so bear with me. also, please forgive any spelling errors on this post. I wrote it in one frenzied sitting.
edit3: I knew I would get a fair amount of resistance from ethereum investors (even though I attempted to keep my post as balanced as possible) but I was unprepared from the breathtaking volume of spam and diversity of attacks. One particular user has made 30 comments in this thread. I don't have a stake in ETC, period. The post is 3000 words long and most of it is about how to properly do your due diligence in a crypto. if ethereum fares poorly by standard due diligence metrics, then perhaps your issue is deeper than one post on /investing.
final edit: there have been some broken-hearted ethereum fans very busy organizing brigades against this post, and attacking me personally, and so on. It's all very incovenient. I can tell that I struck a nerve. This post isn't really about ethereum - it's about how to do research in crypto, and why you can't expect to profit handsomely without that due diligence. I mentioned ethereum because there are 3 or 4 breathless posts on here a day about its stunning gains and whether it's worth investing in. My answer: read about it first, from a diverse set of sources. A final note: I do not own any ethereum classic, I have never owned ethereum classic. I brought it up because it is part of the ethereum story, and an example of what happens when you have a contested hard fork. I do hope that ethereum succeeds, I am just cautioning against over exuberance.
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[MOD] Safe Swapping Thread || How to Identify and Avoid Scams || PLEASE READ!!

TIPS FOR SAFE SWAPPING/SELLING

We are going to try to point out some tell-tale signs of the most Common Scams so you can hopefully identify them and walk away before being taken advantage of!

IF IT SEEMS TOO GOOD TO BE TRUE - IT PROBABLY IS.

Is someone offering you an AMAZING deal mere seconds after you posted your thread?!?
HIT PAUSE!!
DON'T RUSH to accept your first offer. Slow down, take a deep breathe.
TAKE YOUR TIME... chances are... if you simply give your thread a few hours, you will get several offers!
Then you can Research, Investigate and EVENTUALLY choose who you want to swap with, sell to or buy from.

DIGITAL CODES ARE HIGH RISK ITEMS...

Under no circumstances should you give out a Digital Code before being paid.
You don't walk into Best Buy - redeem a digital code and then pay for it later.
Once redeemed, you cannot get back your Digital Code, PSN/XBL credit, or your Amazon Gift Card.
If you give one out and it gets redeemed, it's gone forever... so don't rush into a deal.

BEFORE SWAPPING... GET TO KNOW YOUR PARTNER

FIRST ask yourself...
Where did the offer come from?!
Was it made to me in my Public Trade Thread? [COOL]
Or was it sent directly to me in a PM? [NOT COOL]

REMEMBER: Banned users can still send you PM's!

  • You should always require a comment in your Public Trade Thread before swapping with ANYONE.
  • It doesn't matter how much rep they have, how old their account is, or how much karma they have.
  • No comment in your Public Trade Thread -- NO DEALS.
  • Scammers/banned users can still browse the forums and send PM's but they cannot post in threads.
  • We can't double-ban users who are already banned so...
  • PLEASE STOP negotiating through PM's with banned users! This happens FAR TOO OFTEN.
Reminder: For a deal to count towards Flair, we REQUIRE a comment from your partner in a Public Trade Thread... and everyone wants flair... right?! If you accept an offer via a PM it can never count towards flair.
TL;DR: If you accept offers in Private Messages you're going to get scammed. Enough already.
Are you on a mobile device?
Are you having a hard time figuring out if a response was made in your Public Trade Thread or through a PM?
  • STOP negotiating trades on your mobile device.
  • /GameSale and /GameSwap should not be used from a mobile device. Too many variables.
  • Wait until you get to an actual computer so you can properly investigate your partner.
  • You need to be 100% positive that there was a comment in your thread and NOT just a PM.
  • Scammers may try to send you a PM with a subject line that matches the title of your most recent thread.
    • On a Mobile App, this may look like a Comment Reply. On an actual computer - it won't.
NEXT...ask youself...
How old is their account?
  • We provide that information to you for the Original Poster of the Thread (OP)... but are you... as the OP... also checking the Account Age of the people sending you offers?
Do they have Flair, Completed Trades, an /MushroomKingdom Thread, or Rep Elsewhere??
  • When checking their Rep are you checking that the user is actually linking THEIR OWN REP?
  • Check the spelling and account age on the Rep page (/MushroomKingdom thread, etc)
  • Compare it to the spelling and account age of the user commenting in your thread. Are they the same?
  • Scammers may create accounts with similar looking names to trick you into thinking they have "rep".
  • Is the user linking to 'rep' on /Mushroomkingdom or are they using a personal subreddit?
  • We will NEVER vet trades on someone's personal subreddit.
  • If they link you to a personal subreddit for 'rep' - that is an immediate red flag.
What other subreddits do they post on?
  • Are they an obnoxious human being? Do they troll Subs or users in other Subs?
  • Are they only posting in giveaway threads and asking for freebies?
  • Have you google'd their Reddit Name to check for other people reporting them as a scammer?
  • Do they have an old account, but no posts, comments, or submission history AT ALL?!? (HUGE red flag)

CODE V. PHYSICAL ITEMS

If someone scams you in a Physical Item Trade, you should have enough of the scammers personal information that you can file mail fraud charges with the United States Postal Service (a felony).
If someone Scams you on a Digital Items or trades involving Codes, you have limited options.
Digital Items are much riskier because a scammer does not need to provide you with any of their personal information (not a name, not an address - NOTHING).
  • If you purchase a Digital Item from Best Buy or Amazon... you don't get to redeem the code before you pay for it.
  • As such, you are welcome to try to convince me (as a seller) why I should give you my digital item before you've paid for it... but I am unlikely to be persuaded.
  • Buying/Selling items through Paypal Goods/Services provides protections to BOTH parties.
  • The 3% fee is nothing compared to losing 100% of what you had to sell/trade/buy.
  • If I fail to provide you the code as promised - a claim will be opened and paypal will return your money.
  • Sellers have no recourse if they give you the item and you subsequently decide not to pay.
  • Under no circumstances should you send payment as friends/family.

PAYPAL GIFT (Friends/Family) V. GOODS & SERVICES

If you pay someone via PayPal, understand the risks and differences between the two types of payments. - There is a 3% fee for payments sent as goods/services but it allows you to initiate a claim if there is a problem. - If you send payment as a gift (F&F), you CANNOT initiate a claim to dispute the charges.
  • As a buyer spending an extra 3% for your item shouldn't add more than $1-2 to the cost of your item.
  • As a seller you could just build that cost into the price of your item.

USE TRACKING & EXPECT TRACKING

Domestic Shipping using Paypal will always include free tracking. So does EVERY method of Domestic shipping from the Post Office and UPS/FedEx.
  • Just because someone gives you a tracking number, doesn’t mean that the item has been shipped.
  • You can generate a tracking number online without sending anything.
  • If you’re expecting the other party to go first, make sure the package is updated on the USPS website as "package received" and NOT just "shipping information received".
  • Scammers may generate a tracking number for you but never actually ship the item.

THE FAKE PAYPAL INVOICE SCAM

You've agreed to sell an item to a buyer...
The Buyer says - check your e-mail, "Payment" sent".
The Buyer actually sends you an invoice - NOT - payment.
The Scammer will fake a Payment Confirmation... by creating an invoice - and immediately marking it paid.
  • Paypal allows the sender of an Invoice to write whatever they want in the message field. So a scammer may write something like, "You have received a payment from ScammerMcScammerFace. Payments may can take 24-48 hours to appear in your Paypal Account".
  • This may create the illusion that you have received payment when in reality - the Buyer has just created an invoice - sent it to you - and marked it paid immediately.
  • In reality, Paypal Payments normally appear immediately. So check your account... if you don't see any payment - or pending payment - it might be a scam.
  • While Paypal may hold funds - or delay their availability - the transaction almost always shows up in your Paypal Activity immediately.
  • If the user starts to get pushy, playing the victim, calling you a scammer or really doing anything other than saying, "Let me know when the payment shows up"... immediately MESSAGE THE MODS.
  • An exmaple can be seen here: Paypal Invoice Scam

OBVIOUS RED FLAGS

NEW ACCOUNTS
If the account is only hours old, or even a few days old, be on high alert. Not all new accounts are scammers, but I’d bet a very large portion are, ESPECIALLY if they’re asking you to send first.
THE VICTIMS PLEA
“Oh, I’ve been scammed before, so I’m not comfortable sending first” or "I need money quickly to buy _________ (fill in the blank - game on sale, food, medicine, etc)". While this may be true for some people, that's not your problem. If you are inclined to believe them - ask for proof of the scam. When did it happen? How? What was it for? Do they have any confirmed trades? Did they report it? Did they post on /BadKarma?
REQUIRES A NON-REFUNDABLE PAYMENT
It’s one thing if someone prefers or asks for gift payments or Amazon/Xbox/Playstation gift cards, but anyone that won’t even give you the option to using Paypal (Goods/Services) is most likely a scammer. The scammer wants you to pay using a source that offers no buyer protection. If you pay for something using any kind of Gift Card of Digital Credit instead of Paypal goods/services, you cannot dispute the payment to reclaim your money if you get scammed... so stop it.
ACCEPTS GOODS/SERVICES, BUT ACCOUNT UNVERFIED
Unverified accounts means Paypal has NO personal information about that user. No Bank Account, No Address. NOTHING. If you are dealing with an Unverified Account - I would exercise caution. While most Unverified Accounts may not be scammers, I may ask that they go first - or walk away if I see other red flags along with their Unverified Status.
ALTERNATE CURRENCIES
Is a user only accepting Amazon gift cards, Digital currencies (bitcoin) or PSN/XBL Credit? Personally - I will NEVER pay for an item with those types of currencies. If the user wants PSN Credit... let them buy it on their own with the money I send them in Paypal. These digital currencies are HIGH RISK items that can not be reclaimed once used.
I NEED YOU TO PAY FIRST SO I CAN AFFORD TO SHIP YOUR ITEM
Don't walk... RUN. If someone doesn’t even have $5 to ship an item to you, you are probably never going to see the item anyway.

RULE AND COMMON COURTESY REMINDERS

NO THREAD CRAPPING
This comes in all shapes and sizes, but it boils down to one thing. .. If your comment does nothing except hinder another users ability to make a transaction, be it a trade or sale/purchase, it is thread crapping. Using comparison prices in order to negotiate is ok. Asking why in the hell someone thinks they’ll get $25 for a game when it is currently “on sale everywhere for $20” is not. This isn’t just common courtesy – it’s a rule, and for good reason.
REPLY TO ALL OFFERS
...and be civil in doing so. There are enough assholes around the internet and we don’t want them here. We want people to have fun and enjoy exchanging games without worrying about aggressive attitudes. It takes less than 5 seconds to reply “no thanks” if you’re not interested in someone’s offer. We have a DBAD (don't be a dick) rule here for good reason and bans will be handed out to anyone that refuses to treat everyone with respect.
STAY IN CONTACT
We’re all human beings. We all have family, school, work, bills, lives, etc. Shit happens. Things come up. Sometimes delays occur... and that’s okay. Just keep your trade partner informed, and don’t let a delay turn into a non-delivery. Because then you’re gonna have a bad time…
USE THE REPORT FEATURE & SEND A MOD-MESSAGE
There’s no need for you to enforce the rules yourself. If you see a violation of the rules, hit report and enter a reason. These come to us anonymously, though you’re free to put your name in the report if you’d like. If you report something PLEASE also message the moderators if the report requires explanation. If you report a thread and say, "User is a scammer" you HAVE to message us with proof. We want to ban scammers... but we have to have proof. As moderators, we aren’t all on 24/7, and sometimes things will slip past us. We will always rely on the community to help us weed out the bad apples. So hit report, send us a message, but don’t get into a pissing contest over the rules with other users.
As for us, as moderators – our “door” is always open. We try to keep this community nice and make it the spot you want to come to for game exchanges. We are always open to hearing input and ideas from the community so feel free to send them to us. It isn’t limited to ideas for how to run the sub either. Feel free to hit us with your best compliments and your worst complaints. Let us know how we’re doing. Bring concerns to our attention. We’ll do everything that we’re able to do to help out.
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[PSA] Stay Safe for the Summer - New Swapper or Grizzly Veteran Please Read!

TIPS FOR SAFE SWAPPING/SELLING

We are going to lay out some tell-tale signs of the most Common Scams Hopefully list list will help you identify Scams and walk away before being taken advantage of!

IF IT SEEMS TOO GOOD TO BE TRUE - IT PROBABLY IS.

Is someone offering you that game you REALLY want - mere seconds after posting?!? HIT PAUSE!!
DON'T RUSH to accept your first offer. Slow down, take a deep breathe.
Think before you send your Digital Code first. In fact - why are you sending your Digital Code first anyways?
You don't walk into Best Buy - redeem a digital code and then pay for it later.
REMEMBER once redeemed, you cannot get back your Digital Code, PSN/XBL credit, or your Amazon Gift Card.
If you give one out and it gets redeemed, it's gone forever... so don't rush into a deal.
TAKE YOUR TIME... chances are... if you simply give your thread a few hours, you will get several offers!
Then you can Research, Investigate and EVENTUALLY choose who you want to swap with, sell to or buy from.

KNOW YOUR PARTNER

FIRST ask yourself...
Where did the offer come from?!
Was it made to me in my Public Trade Thread? [COOL]
Or was it sent directly to me in a PM? [NOT COOL]
  • You should always require a comment in your Public Trade Thread before swapping with ANYONE.
  • It doesn't matter how much rep they have, how old their account is, or how much karma they have.
  • No comment in your Public Trade Thread -- NO DEALS.
  • Scammers/banned users can still browse the forums and send PM's but they cannot post in threads.
  • We can't double-ban users who are already banned so...
  • PLEASE STOP negotiating through PM's with banned users! This happens FAR TOO OFTEN.
Reminder: For a deal to count towards Flair, we REQUIRE a comment from your partner in a Public Trade Thread... and everyone wants flair... right?! If you accept an offer via a PM it can never count towards flair.
TL;DR: If you accept offers in Private Messages you're going to get scammed. Enough already.
Are you on a mobile device?
Are you having a hard time figuring out if a response was made in your Public Trade Thread or through a PM?
  • STOP negotiating trades on your mobile device.
  • /GameSale and /GameSwap should not be used from a mobile device. Too many variables.
  • Wait until you get to an actual computer so you can properly investigate your partner.
  • You need to be 100% positive that there was a comment in your thread and NOT just a PM.
NEXT...ask youself...
How old is their account?
  • We provide that information to you for the Original Poster of the Thread (OP)... but are you... as the OP... also checking the Account Age of the people sending you offers?
Do they have Flair, Completed Trades, an /MushroomKingdom Thread, or Rep Elsewhere??
  • When checking their Rep are you checking that the user is actually linking THEIR OWN REP?
  • Check the spelling and account age on the Rep page (/MushroomKingdom thread, etc)
  • Compare it to the spelling and account age of the user commenting in your thread. Are they the same?
  • Scammers may create accounts with similar looking names to trick you into thinking they have "rep".
  • Is the user linking to 'rep' on /Mushroomkingdom or are they using a personal subreddit?
  • We will NEVER vet trades on someone's personal subreddit.
  • If they link you to a personal subreddit for 'rep' - that is an immediate red flag.
What other subreddits do they post on?
  • Are they an obnoxious human being? Do they troll Subs or users in other Subs?
  • Are they only posting in giveaway threads and asking for freebies?
  • Have you google'd their Reddit Name to check for other people reporting them as a scammer?
  • Do they have an old account, but no posts, comments, or submission history AT ALL?!? (HUGE red flag)

CODE V. PHYSICAL ITEMS

If someone scams you in a Physical Item Trade, you should have enough of the scammers personal information that you can file mail fraud charges with the United States Postal Service (a felony).
If someone Scams you on a Digital Items or trades involving Codes, you have limited options.
Digital Items are much riskier because a scammer does not need to provide you with any of their personal information (not a name, not an address - NOTHING).
  • If you purchase a Digital Item from Best Buy or Amazon... you don't get to redeem the code before you pay for it.
  • As such, you are welcome to try to convince me (as a seller) why I should give you my digital item before you've paid for it... but I am unlikely to be persuaded.
  • Buying/Selling items through Paypal Goods/Services provides protections to BOTH parties.
  • The 3% fee is nothing compared to losing 100% of what you had to sell/trade/buy.
  • If I fail to provide you the code as promised - a claim will be opened and paypal will return your money.
  • Sellers have no recourse if they give you the item and you subsequently decide not to pay.
  • Under no circumstances should you send payment as friends/family.

PAYPAL GIFT (Friends/Family) V. GOODS & SERVICES

If you pay someone via PayPal, understand the risks and differences between the two types of payments. - There is a 3% fee for payments sent as goods/services but it allows you to initiate a claim if there is a problem. - If you send payment as a gift (F&F), you CANNOT initiate a claim to dispute the charges.
  • As a buyer spending an extra 3% for your item shouldn't add more than $1-2 to the cost of your item.
  • As a seller you could just build that cost into the price of your item.

USE TRACKING & EXPECT TRACKING

Domestic Shipping using Paypal will always include free tracking. So does EVERY method of Domestic shipping from the Post Office and UPS/FedEx.
  • Just because someone gives you a tracking number, doesn’t mean that the item has been shipped.
  • You can generate a tracking number online without sending anything.
  • If you’re expecting the other party to go first, make sure the package is updated on the USPS website as "package received" and NOT just "shipping information received".
  • Scammers may generate a tracking number for you but never actually ship the item.

THE FAKE PAYPAL INVOICE SCAM

You've agreed to sell an item to a buyer...
The Buyer says - check your e-mail, "Payment" sent".
The Buyer actually sends you an invoice - NOT - payment.
The Scammer will fake a Payment Confirmation... by creating an invoice - and immediately marking it paid.
  • Paypal allows the sender of an Invoice to write whatever they want in the message field. So a scammer may write something like, "You have received a payment from ScammerMcScammerFace. Payments may can take 24-48 hours to appear in your Paypal Account".
  • This may create the illusion that you have received payment when in reality - the Buyer has just created an invoice - sent it to you - and marked it paid immediately.
  • In reality, Paypal Payments normally appear immediately. So check your account... if you don't see any payment - or pending payment - it might be a scam.
  • While Paypal may hold funds - or delay their availability - the transaction almost always shows up in your Paypal Activity immediately.
  • If the user starts to get pushy, playing the victim, calling you a scammer or really doing anything other than saying, "Let me know when the payment shows up"... immediately MESSAGE THE MODS.
  • An exmaple can be seen here: Paypal Invoice Scam

OBVIOUS RED FLAGS

New accounts – If the account is only hours old, or even a few days old, be on high alert. Not all new accounts are scammers, but I’d bet a very large portion are, ESPECIALLY if they’re asking you to send first.
The “victims plea” – “Oh, I’ve been scammed before, so I’m not comfortable sending first” or "I need money quickly to buy _________ (fill in the blank - food, medicine, etc)". While this may be true for some people, that's not your problem. If you are inclined to believe them - ask for proof of the scam. When did it happen? How? What was it for? Do they have any confirmed trades? Did they report it? Did they post on /BadKarma?
Requires PayPal gift – It’s one thing if someone prefers or asks for gift payments, but anyone that won’t even give you the option to pay as goods and services is most likely a scammer. The scammer wants you to pay via means that cannot be charged back (gift) whereas a goods/services payment can be reclaimed via a dispute, leaving the scammer with nothing.
Accepts Goods/Service but has an Unverified Account - Unverified accounts means Paypal has NO personal information about that user. No Bank Account, No Address. NOTHING. If you are dealing with an Unverified Account - I would exercise caution. While most Unverified Accounts may not be scammers, I may ask that they go first - or walk away if I see other red flags along with their Unverified Status.
Alternate currencies – Is a user only accepting Amazon gift cards, Digital currencies (bitcoin) or PSN/XBL Credit? Personally - I will NEVER pay for an item with those types of currencies. If the user wants PSN Credit... let them buy it on their own with the money I send them in Paypal. These digital currencies are HIGH RISK items that can not be reclaimed once used.
“I can’t ship until you pay me because I don’t have money” – Don't walk... RUN. If someone doesn’t even have $5 to ship their items to you, you are probably never going to see the items anyway.

COMMON COURTESY REMINDERS

NO THREAD CRAPPING - This comes in all shapes and sizes, but it boils down to one thing. .. If your comment does nothing except hinder another users ability to make a transaction, be it a trade or sale/purchase, it is thread crapping. Using comparison prices in order to negotiate is ok. Asking why in the hell someone thinks they’ll get $25 for a game when it is currently “on sale everywhere for $20” is not. This isn’t just common courtesy – it’s a rule, and for good reason.
Reply to all offers - and be civil in doing so. There are enough assholes around the internet and we don’t want them here. We want people to have fun and enjoy exchanging games without worrying about aggressive attitudes. It takes less than 5 seconds to reply “no thanks” if you’re not interested in someone’s offer.
Stay in contact - We’re all human beings. We all have family, school, work, bills, lives, etc. Shit happens. Things come up. Sometimes delays occur... and that’s okay. Just keep your trade partner informed, and don’t let a delay turn into a non-delivery. Because then you’re gonna have a bad time…
Use the report feature when appropriate - There’s no need for you to enforce the rules yourself. If you see a violation of the rules, hit report and enter a reason. These come to us anonymously, though you’re free to put your name in the report if you’d like. As moderators, we aren’t all on 24/7, and sometimes a trickster will slip one past us. So report, but don’t get into a pissing contest over the rules, please.
As for us, as moderators – our “door” is always open. We try to keep this community nice and make it the spot you want to come to for game exchanges. We are always open to hearing input and ideas from the community so feel free to send them to us. It isn’t limited to ideas for how to run the sub either. Feel free to hit us with your best compliments and your worst complaints. Let us know how we’re doing. Bring concerns to our attention. We’ll do everything that we’re able to do to help out.
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[MOD] Proper Title Format and Reminder on Buying/Selling Safely - How to Avoid Scams

We've noticed a decline in proper title formatting and it's becoming a mess. Some posts aren't even trying and completely ignore the standard posting format. In order to maintain the quality of life for both the users and mods, we're going to an active moderation stance on reviewing posts. A mod will reply on your thread confirming removal due to the post title and we will ask that you repost your thread with the proper title format.
All posts must have a country code regardless of whether it's a digital sale or physical sale.
The proper title format is as follows:
[Country Abbreviation Goes Here] [H] Games [W] PayPal / Amazon
or vice versa if you're looking to buy something
[Country Abbreviation Goes Here] [W] Game / Console [H] PayPal, Amazon
For example, if you're located in Canada, you would use [CAN]. If you are located in the United States, you would use [USA].So on and so forth.
If you want to do a local transaction, you can include your exact state or providence in your post text.
[H] = Have [W] = Want

TIPS FOR SAFE SELLING

We are going to try to point out some tell-tale signs of the most Common Scams so you can hopefully identify them and walk away before being taken advantage of!

IF IT SEEMS TOO GOOD TO BE TRUE - IT PROBABLY IS.

Is someone offering you an AMAZING deal mere seconds after you posted your thread?!?
HIT PAUSE!!
DON'T RUSH to accept your first offer. Slow down, take a deep breathe.
TAKE YOUR TIME... chances are... if you simply give your thread a few hours, you will get several offers!
Then you can Research, Investigate and EVENTUALLY choose who you want to swap with, sell to or buy from.

DIGITAL CODES ARE HIGH RISK ITEMS...

Under no circumstances should you give out a Digital Code before being paid.
You don't walk into Best Buy - redeem a digital code and then pay for it later.
Once redeemed, you cannot get back your Digital Code, PSN/XBL credit, or your Amazon Gift Card.
If you give one out and it gets redeemed, it's gone forever... so don't rush into a deal.

BEFORE SWAPPING... GET TO KNOW YOUR PARTNER

FIRST ask yourself...
Where did the offer come from?!
Was it made to me in my Public Trade Thread? [COOL]
Or was it sent directly to me in a PM? [NOT COOL]

REMEMBER: Banned users can still send you PM's!

  • You should always require a comment in your Public Trade Thread before swapping with ANYONE.
  • It doesn't matter how much rep they have, how old their account is, or how much karma they have.
  • No comment in your Public Trade Thread -- NO DEALS.
  • Scammers/banned users can still browse the forums and send PM's but they cannot post in threads.
  • We can't double-ban users who are already banned so...
  • PLEASE STOP negotiating through PM's with banned users! This happens FAR TOO OFTEN.
Reminder: For a deal to count towards Flair, we REQUIRE a comment from your partner in a Public Trade Thread... and everyone wants flair... right?! If you accept an offer via a PM it can never count towards flair.
TL;DR: If you accept offers in Private Messages you're going to get scammed. Enough already.
NEXT...ask youself...
How old is their account?
  • We provide that information to you for the Original Poster of the Thread (OP)... but are you... as the OP... also checking the Account Age of the people sending you offers?
Do they have Flair, Completed Trades, an /MushroomKingdom Thread, or Rep Elsewhere??
  • When checking their Rep are you checking that the user is actually linking THEIR OWN REP?
  • Check the spelling and account age on the Rep page (/MushroomKingdom thread, etc)
  • Compare it to the spelling and account age of the user commenting in your thread. Are they the same?
  • Scammers may create accounts with similar looking names to trick you into thinking they have "rep".
  • Is the user linking to 'rep' on /Mushroomkingdom or are they using a personal subreddit?
  • We will NEVER vet trades on someone's personal subreddit.
  • If they link you to a personal subreddit for 'rep' - that is an immediate red flag.
What other subreddits do they post on?
  • Are they an obnoxious human being? Do they troll Subs or users in other Subs?
  • Are they only posting in giveaway threads and asking for freebies?
  • Have you google'd their Reddit Name to check for other people reporting them as a scammer?
  • Do they have an old account, but no posts, comments, or submission history AT ALL?!? (HUGE red flag)

PAYPAL GIFT (Friends/Family) V. GOODS & SERVICES

If you pay someone via PayPal, understand the risks and differences between the two types of payments. - There is a 3% fee for payments sent as goods/services but it allows you to initiate a claim if there is a problem. - If you send payment as a gift (F&F), you CANNOT initiate a claim to dispute the charges.
  • As a buyer spending an extra 3% for your item shouldn't add more than $1-2 to the cost of your item.
  • As a seller you could just build that cost into the price of your item.
  • Also, as a seller, you have the Invoice option which provides sellers protection. Please review how to properly send an invoice over at PayPal.

USE TRACKING & EXPECT TRACKING

Domestic Shipping using Paypal will always include free tracking. So does EVERY method of Domestic shipping from the Post Office and UPS/FedEx.
  • Just because someone gives you a tracking number, doesn’t mean that the item has been shipped.
  • You can generate a tracking number online without sending anything.
  • If you’re expecting the other party to go first, make sure the package is updated on the USPS website as "package received" and NOT just "shipping information received".
  • Scammers may generate a tracking number for you but never actually ship the item.

THE FAKE PAYPAL INVOICE SCAM

You've agreed to sell an item to a buyer...
The Buyer says - check your e-mail, "Payment" sent".
The Buyer actually sends you an invoice - NOT - payment.
The Scammer will fake a Payment Confirmation... by creating an invoice - and immediately marking it paid.
  • Paypal allows the sender of an Invoice to write whatever they want in the message field. So a scammer may write something like, "You have received a payment from ScammerMcScammerFace. Payments may can take 24-48 hours to appear in your Paypal Account".
  • This may create the illusion that you have received payment when in reality - the Buyer has just created an invoice - sent it to you - and marked it paid immediately.
  • In reality, Paypal Payments normally appear immediately. So check your account... if you don't see any payment - or pending payment - it might be a scam.
  • While Paypal may hold funds - or delay their availability - the transaction almost always shows up in your Paypal Activity immediately.
  • If the user starts to get pushy, playing the victim, calling you a scammer or really doing anything other than saying, "Let me know when the payment shows up"... immediately MESSAGE THE MODS.
  • An exmaple can be seen here: Paypal Invoice Scam

OBVIOUS RED FLAGS

NEW ACCOUNTS
If the account is only hours old, or even a few days old, be on high alert. Not all new accounts are scammers, but I’d bet a very large portion are, ESPECIALLY if they’re asking you to send first.
THE VICTIMS PLEA
“Oh, I’ve been scammed before, so I’m not comfortable sending first” or "I need money quickly to buy _________ (fill in the blank - game on sale, food, medicine, etc)". While this may be true for some people, that's not your problem. If you are inclined to believe them - ask for proof of the scam. When did it happen? How? What was it for? Do they have any confirmed trades? Did they report it? Did they post on /BadKarma?
REQUIRES A NON-REFUNDABLE PAYMENT
It’s one thing if someone prefers or asks for gift payments or Amazon/Xbox/Playstation gift cards, but anyone that won’t even give you the option to using Paypal (Goods/Services) is most likely a scammer. The scammer wants you to pay using a source that offers no buyer protection. If you pay for something using any kind of Gift Card of Digital Credit instead of Paypal goods/services, you cannot dispute the payment to reclaim your money if you get scammed... so stop it.
ACCEPTS GOODS/SERVICES, BUT ACCOUNT UNVERFIED
Unverified accounts means Paypal has NO personal information about that user. No Bank Account, No Address. NOTHING. If you are dealing with an Unverified Account - I would exercise caution. While most Unverified Accounts may not be scammers, I may ask that they go first - or walk away if I see other red flags along with their Unverified Status.
ALTERNATE CURRENCIES
Is a user only accepting Amazon gift cards, Digital currencies (bitcoin) or PSN/XBL Credit? Personally - I will NEVER pay for an item with those types of currencies. If the user wants PSN Credit... let them buy it on their own with the money I send them in Paypal. These digital currencies are HIGH RISK items that can not be reclaimed once used.
I NEED YOU TO PAY FIRST SO I CAN AFFORD TO SHIP YOUR ITEM
Don't walk... RUN. If someone doesn’t even have $5 to ship an item to you, you are probably never going to see the item anyway.

RULE AND COMMON COURTESY REMINDERS

NO THREAD CRAPPING
This comes in all shapes and sizes, but it boils down to one thing. .. If your comment does nothing except hinder another users ability to make a transaction, be it a trade or sale/purchase, it is thread crapping. Using comparison prices in order to negotiate is ok. Asking why in the hell someone thinks they’ll get $25 for a game when it is currently “on sale everywhere for $20” is not. This isn’t just common courtesy – it’s a rule, and for good reason.
REPLY TO ALL OFFERS
...and be civil in doing so. There are enough assholes around the internet and we don’t want them here. We want people to have fun and enjoy exchanging games without worrying about aggressive attitudes. It takes less than 5 seconds to reply “no thanks” if you’re not interested in someone’s offer. We have a DBAD (don't be a dick) rule here for good reason and bans will be handed out to anyone that refuses to treat everyone with respect.
STAY IN CONTACT
We’re all human beings. We all have family, school, work, bills, lives, etc. Shit happens. Things come up. Sometimes delays occur... and that’s okay. Just keep your trade partner informed, and don’t let a delay turn into a non-delivery. Because then you’re gonna have a bad time…
USE THE REPORT FEATURE & SEND A MOD-MESSAGE
There’s no need for you to enforce the rules yourself. If you see a violation of the rules, hit report and enter a reason. These come to us anonymously, though you’re free to put your name in the report if you’d like. If you report something PLEASE also message the moderators if the report requires explanation. If you report a thread and say, "User is a scammer" you HAVE to message us with proof. We want to ban scammers... but we have to have proof. As moderators, we aren’t all on 24/7, and sometimes things will slip past us. We will always rely on the community to help us weed out the bad apples. So hit report, send us a message, but don’t get into a pissing contest over the rules with other users.
As for us, as moderators – our “door” is always open. We try to keep this community nice and make it the spot you want to come to for finding your next game to play or help your collection grow. We are always open to hearing input and ideas from the community so feel free to send them to us. Let us know how we’re doing. Bring concerns to our attention. We’ll do everything that we’re able to do to help out.
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[PSA] Stay Safe for the Summer - New Swapper or Grizzly Veteran Please Read!

TIPS FOR SAFE SWAPPING/SELLING

We are going to try to point out some tell-tale signs of the most Common Scams so you can hopefully identify them and walk away before being taken advantage of!

IF IT SEEMS TOO GOOD TO BE TRUE - IT PROBABLY IS.

Is someone offering you an AMAZING deal mere seconds after you posted your thread?!?
HIT PAUSE!!
DON'T RUSH to accept your first offer. Slow down, take a deep breathe.
TAKE YOUR TIME... chances are... if you simply give your thread a few hours, you will get several offers!
Then you can Research, Investigate and EVENTUALLY choose who you want to swap with, sell to or buy from.

DIGITAL CODES ARE HIGH RISK ITEMS...

Under no circumstances should you give out a Digital Code before being paid.
You don't walk into Best Buy - redeem a digital code and then pay for it later.
Once redeemed, you cannot get back your Digital Code, PSN/XBL credit, or your Amazon Gift Card.
If you give one out and it gets redeemed, it's gone forever... so don't rush into a deal.

BEFORE SWAPPING... GET TO KNOW YOUR PARTNER

FIRST ask yourself...
Where did the offer come from?!
Was it made to me in my Public Trade Thread? [COOL]
Or was it sent directly to me in a PM? [NOT COOL]

REMEMBER: Banned users can still send you PM's!

  • You should always require a comment in your Public Trade Thread before swapping with ANYONE.
  • It doesn't matter how much rep they have, how old their account is, or how much karma they have.
  • No comment in your Public Trade Thread -- NO DEALS.
  • Scammers/banned users can still browse the forums and send PM's but they cannot post in threads.
  • We can't double-ban users who are already banned so...
  • PLEASE STOP negotiating through PM's with banned users! This happens FAR TOO OFTEN.
Reminder: For a deal to count towards Flair, we REQUIRE a comment from your partner in a Public Trade Thread... and everyone wants flair... right?! If you accept an offer via a PM it can never count towards flair.
TL;DR: If you accept offers in Private Messages you're going to get scammed. Enough already.
Are you on a mobile device?
Are you having a hard time figuring out if a response was made in your Public Trade Thread or through a PM?
  • STOP negotiating trades on your mobile device.
  • /GameSale and /GameSwap should not be used from a mobile device. Too many variables.
  • Wait until you get to an actual computer so you can properly investigate your partner.
  • You need to be 100% positive that there was a comment in your thread and NOT just a PM.
  • Scammers may try to send you a PM with a subject line that matches the title of your most recent thread.
    • On a Mobile App, this may look like a Comment Reply. On an actual computer - it won't.
NEXT...ask youself...
How old is their account?
  • We provide that information to you for the Original Poster of the Thread (OP)... but are you... as the OP... also checking the Account Age of the people sending you offers?
Do they have Flair, Completed Trades, an /MushroomKingdom Thread, or Rep Elsewhere??
  • When checking their Rep are you checking that the user is actually linking THEIR OWN REP?
  • Check the spelling and account age on the Rep page (/MushroomKingdom thread, etc)
  • Compare it to the spelling and account age of the user commenting in your thread. Are they the same?
  • Scammers may create accounts with similar looking names to trick you into thinking they have "rep".
  • Is the user linking to 'rep' on /Mushroomkingdom or are they using a personal subreddit?
  • We will NEVER vet trades on someone's personal subreddit.
  • If they link you to a personal subreddit for 'rep' - that is an immediate red flag.
What other subreddits do they post on?
  • Are they an obnoxious human being? Do they troll Subs or users in other Subs?
  • Are they only posting in giveaway threads and asking for freebies?
  • Have you google'd their Reddit Name to check for other people reporting them as a scammer?
  • Do they have an old account, but no posts, comments, or submission history AT ALL?!? (HUGE red flag)

CODE V. PHYSICAL ITEMS

If someone scams you in a Physical Item Trade, you should have enough of the scammers personal information that you can file mail fraud charges with the United States Postal Service (a felony).
If someone Scams you on a Digital Items or trades involving Codes, you have limited options.
Digital Items are much riskier because a scammer does not need to provide you with any of their personal information (not a name, not an address - NOTHING).
  • If you purchase a Digital Item from Best Buy or Amazon... you don't get to redeem the code before you pay for it.
  • As such, you are welcome to try to convince me (as a seller) why I should give you my digital item before you've paid for it... but I am unlikely to be persuaded.
  • Buying/Selling items through Paypal Goods/Services provides protections to BOTH parties.
  • The 3% fee is nothing compared to losing 100% of what you had to sell/trade/buy.
  • If I fail to provide you the code as promised - a claim will be opened and paypal will return your money.
  • Sellers have no recourse if they give you the item and you subsequently decide not to pay.
  • Under no circumstances should you send payment as friends/family.

PAYPAL GIFT (Friends/Family) V. GOODS & SERVICES

If you pay someone via PayPal, understand the risks and differences between the two types of payments. - There is a 3% fee for payments sent as goods/services but it allows you to initiate a claim if there is a problem. - If you send payment as a gift (F&F), you CANNOT initiate a claim to dispute the charges.
  • As a buyer spending an extra 3% for your item shouldn't add more than $1-2 to the cost of your item.
  • As a seller you could just build that cost into the price of your item.

USE TRACKING & EXPECT TRACKING

Domestic Shipping using Paypal will always include free tracking. So does EVERY method of Domestic shipping from the Post Office and UPS/FedEx.
  • Just because someone gives you a tracking number, doesn’t mean that the item has been shipped.
  • You can generate a tracking number online without sending anything.
  • If you’re expecting the other party to go first, make sure the package is updated on the USPS website as "package received" and NOT just "shipping information received".
  • Scammers may generate a tracking number for you but never actually ship the item.

THE FAKE PAYPAL INVOICE SCAM

You've agreed to sell an item to a buyer...
The Buyer says - check your e-mail, "Payment" sent".
The Buyer actually sends you an invoice - NOT - payment.
The Scammer will fake a Payment Confirmation... by creating an invoice - and immediately marking it paid.
  • Paypal allows the sender of an Invoice to write whatever they want in the message field. So a scammer may write something like, "You have received a payment from ScammerMcScammerFace. Payments may can take 24-48 hours to appear in your Paypal Account".
  • This may create the illusion that you have received payment when in reality - the Buyer has just created an invoice - sent it to you - and marked it paid immediately.
  • In reality, Paypal Payments normally appear immediately. So check your account... if you don't see any payment - or pending payment - it might be a scam.
  • While Paypal may hold funds - or delay their availability - the transaction almost always shows up in your Paypal Activity immediately.
  • If the user starts to get pushy, playing the victim, calling you a scammer or really doing anything other than saying, "Let me know when the payment shows up"... immediately MESSAGE THE MODS.
  • An exmaple can be seen here: Paypal Invoice Scam

OBVIOUS RED FLAGS

NEW ACCOUNTS
– If the account is only hours old, or even a few days old, be on high alert. Not all new accounts are scammers, but I’d bet a very large portion are, ESPECIALLY if they’re asking you to send first.
THE VICTIMS PLEA
– “Oh, I’ve been scammed before, so I’m not comfortable sending first” or "I need money quickly to buy _________ (fill in the blank - game on sale, food, medicine, etc)". While this may be true for some people, that's not your problem. If you are inclined to believe them - ask for proof of the scam. When did it happen? How? What was it for? Do they have any confirmed trades? Did they report it? Did they post on /BadKarma?
REQUIRES A NON-REFUNDABLE PAYMENT
– It’s one thing if someone prefers or asks for gift payments or Amazon/Xbox/Playstation gift cards, but anyone that won’t even give you the option to using Paypal (Goods/Services) is most likely a scammer. The scammer wants you to pay using a source that offers no buyer protection. If you pay for something using any kind of Gift Card of Digital Credit instead of Paypal goods/services, you cannot dispute the payment to reclaim your money if you get scammed... so stop it.
ACCEPTS GOODS/SERVICES, BUT ACCOUNT UNVERFIED
  • Unverified accounts means Paypal has NO personal information about that user. No Bank Account, No Address. NOTHING. If you are dealing with an Unverified Account - I would exercise caution. While most Unverified Accounts may not be scammers, I may ask that they go first - or walk away if I see other red flags along with their Unverified Status.
ALTERNATE CURRENCIES
– Is a user only accepting Amazon gift cards, Digital currencies (bitcoin) or PSN/XBL Credit? Personally - I will NEVER pay for an item with those types of currencies. If the user wants PSN Credit... let them buy it on their own with the money I send them in Paypal. These digital currencies are HIGH RISK items that can not be reclaimed once used.
I NEED YOU TO PAY FIRST SO I CAN AFFORD TO SHIP YOUR ITEM
– Don't walk... RUN. If someone doesn’t even have $5 to ship an item to you, you are probably never going to see the item anyway.

RULE AND COMMON COURTESY REMINDERS

NO THREAD CRAPPING
  • This comes in all shapes and sizes, but it boils down to one thing. .. If your comment does nothing except hinder another users ability to make a transaction, be it a trade or sale/purchase, it is thread crapping. Using comparison prices in order to negotiate is ok. Asking why in the hell someone thinks they’ll get $25 for a game when it is currently “on sale everywhere for $20” is not. This isn’t just common courtesy – it’s a rule, and for good reason.
REPLY TO ALL OFFERS
  • ...and be civil in doing so. There are enough assholes around the internet and we don’t want them here. We want people to have fun and enjoy exchanging games without worrying about aggressive attitudes. It takes less than 5 seconds to reply “no thanks” if you’re not interested in someone’s offer. We have a DBAD (don't be a dick) rule here for good reason and bans will be handed out to anyone that refuses to treat everyone with respect.
STAY IN CONTACT
  • We’re all human beings. We all have family, school, work, bills, lives, etc. Shit happens. Things come up. Sometimes delays occur... and that’s okay. Just keep your trade partner informed, and don’t let a delay turn into a non-delivery. Because then you’re gonna have a bad time…
USE THE REPORT FEATURE
  • There’s no need for you to enforce the rules yourself. If you see a violation of the rules, hit report and enter a reason. These come to us anonymously, though you’re free to put your name in the report if you’d like. If you report something PLEASE also message the moderators if the report requires explanation. If you report a thread and say, "User is a scammer" you HAVE to message us with proof. We want to ban scammers... but we have to have proof. As moderators, we aren’t all on 24/7, and sometimes things will slip past us. We will always rely on the community to help us weed out the bad apples. So hit report, send us a message, but don’t get into a pissing contest over the rules with other users.
As for us, as moderators – our “door” is always open. We try to keep this community nice and make it the spot you want to come to for game exchanges. We are always open to hearing input and ideas from the community so feel free to send them to us. It isn’t limited to ideas for how to run the sub either. Feel free to hit us with your best compliments and your worst complaints. Let us know how we’re doing. Bring concerns to our attention. We’ll do everything that we’re able to do to help out.
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The truth about trading: altcoins

I have not been able to focus on writing the past couple of weeks now. I have learned a lot about using multiple different exchanges over the past couple weeks. I went from GDAX, to Binance to Kucoin. I have learned a lot and what I am about to tell you is my honest opinion.
The Hay Way Investing in crypto is better done when you research a coin. DYOR is a legit term, even sounds like what it means. Do Your Own Research. Start here David Hay
Read Read some books about economics and especially Bitcoin. My favorite books on Bitcoin Bitcoin and Cryptocurrency Technologies: A Comprehensive Introduction and Digital Gold: Bitcoin and the Inside Story of the Misfits and Millionaires Trying to Reinvent Money. Knowing the history and how Bitcoin works is fundamental I believe in this journey. Another great read I believe will make you look at money forever different How an Economy Grows and Why It Crashes
Telegram & Alt Coins I think you should get Telegram. I am not kidding. It is amazing to connect with people from the different Exchanges, coins and dev channels. I warn you right now, you will be targeted for spam channels. You will be targeted in some cases by elaborate stories and ruses. You need to DYOR before following these blindly. Remember jumping into any investment without DYOR is a mistake, there is no free cake in this world. Someone I know was contacted by someone saying they should invest in a coin, it was about to explode, they were hyping about x3 x4 returns. My friend jumped all over it and did DYOLR, do your own little research. Which was is ok, but not wise. All ICO/Crypto Channels
Remember, when you go into telegram you are gonna be on the front lines of Alt coins and you are deeper in the inception of Cryptocurrencies. You are no longer in the kiddy pool. What I mean is that out in the Alt ocean there are more predators. There are more people running scams and tricks to get you to be baited in and lured in. You are not gonna get people saying Ethereum is about to make you rich, how Bitcoin is about to explode, how Litecoin is gonna x3 x4. When you are on Telegram you will run into groups and people, personally over messages and in channels pressuring you in the sweetest way to invest. How to spot a scam on telegram (which I get most info from Here):
Take Profits When you are in an altcoin maybe from the bottom, maybe you are making it big. Never just keep hodling. Remember this and say it with me What goes up must come down. I am a huge hodler and swing trader but I am telling you something. Take profits. Do not let greed ruin your feed. What I mean is that rocket pumps and jumps and quick increases (within a couple days) in price on an alt specifically are the result of a pump. Some are subtle you would never know it. Let me share a story with you.
“…I am upset I have lost so much money… this is what happened… someones messages me on Telegram telling me it alright, I had just lost money. But they say … If I wanna make a profit invest in this coin. So I do. It is great! because you know what ?! it begins to go up up up. I am excited, someone was nice enough to help me out. Such cool. I put more and more money into this altcoin. I mean I believe in the tech, the ideas and the situation is just amazing.… I mean I am making tons of money on my initial investment. It wont stop groing up this is fantastic. I make everything I have into it. With these gains I am going to come out on top. Lambos and all that. Then poof… I have feeling. Maybe I am get scammed this seems all too good to be true. I look at my messages from "the tipper friend" at times I feel like I am talking to a different person, it doesnt seem like the same person. They said oneday they bought some coin it for $.50 and just now they said they actually got it for $1.00. That I should hold and not sell… I have this weird feeling, but I am making increase. By the time it $8.00 I could not believe it. I asked "the tipper" you know he is like my best friend right now, I ask if I should sell, he reminded me to not sell no matter what, do not do it. If you do it you have weak hands, you must hold... but then everything began to drop right after their big annoucement. I wasnt worried I knew they were gonna go back up. He said so… But then Asia banned thing happened and the market just crashed I lost half of everything I owned in that… it hit me… maybe I can help them out maybe do work for them on the side… I mean I want the coin to go back up… I can help build website… my friend laughed at me… he say I work for them now, they give me the money they took from me… ha whatever… well… I ended up helping out and…. To me it felt me I felt trapped. I felt like I owed them something... only to come to find out that whatever just happened was planned maybe and I have this hope if I help out maybe it will go back up.. but it never did…”<
I think its a true story… maybe exaggerated some. You will find these if you ask around. The reality is real, scammers do exist. What is happening in these situations is that often a large group of people are gathered together to hear about a new “coin taking off” one by one they are pulled into a telegram channel. In fact it “the boom” may have already started and the tech seems legitimate enough, you will quickly be blinded by the quick jump in price. If you were in their shoes, you should be asking one question…. ”How did their ICO go? Was it profitable or not?”. Because if it was not, more than likely they are gonna do something whatever it takes to take profit to get their tech started… What you see happening also is that tech that may be great oneday… Remember that “oneday” could be 1-3 years from now. Story of NEO… Rags to Riches.
So you have to presume a coins team will do whatever and be as dirty as they can to make ends meet, often it means taking money from innocent people. In this specific situation, the coin was being pumped surgically, not obviously, so it legitimacy seemed legit. Another question that should of been asked is “Where is the working product? If you do not see one what makes you think other investors will actually like the idea?” There were no obvious big signs of a pump, so you can easily think this is all ”Organic”. There is nothing organic in one week in this industry. ”Ask yourself did that 400% literally just happen in a couple days?” because if its too good to be true, let me explain this to you in simple terms. IT IS. Even though slowly and surely the price rose and people held out, no weak hands here… But what is happening is that people holding lost a lot when the devs. and whales sold their coins… you have to be aware many of the smaller coins will have either premined their coins or bought up a ton when it was only cents. They essentially will cash out huge returns.
A “premine” distribution system, while not necessarily an indication of a scam suggests that the creators of the cryptocurrency already own a portion of the cryptocurrency before it hits the exchange.<
It happens, it is normal, but in ways it is wrong, especially if you are new to Altcoins. Read More Here. Buy the dip and sell the news is true. If this user would of done that, they would have made out probably ok, so next time take profits… say it with me what goes up must come down.
The Fud Truth This term is thrown a lot. It does not mean F'd up data. But essentially that is what it is, Fear, Uncertainty & Doubt. In my experience people who specifically had showen good data on their Reddit comments or posts or on Telegram that proved some FUD. They were banned, kicked out or shutdown. If you notice a truly negative or hostile atmosphere to people because they are FUD, you need to step back for second and look around. Who do you actually know here, is it just your "tipper" friend. Really think about the FUD when it comes out. Because if the person above would of listened to the FUD they would not be where they are now. Fud Reddit.
Rest. Take some time and rest from this. I cannot explain to you the amount of hours I have spent looking at my phone. My computer. Talking on Telegram, acting as if I am being paid for it. Doing little graphic design work here and there. Take a break and have a life. Because at the end of the day your time is what you are using to pay for this. When you buy an alt coin you or anything for that matter you are spending the time you took to make that money. Remember your losing on both ends if you spend your time making money to spend more time losing or making that money. Watch this. Time is your currency.
Tl;dr Get telegram, scams happen more in altcoins, build relationships, research, listen to the FUD, rest.
Edit:spelling errors and link error. Wow I cannot thank you guys enough, your responses have been encouraging. cryptocurrency can be a place of quality and we can decide to do that everyday. I encourage each of you to share what is happening to you, what you have learned.
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A history of Bitcoin – told through the five different groups who bought it

A history of Bitcoin – told through the five different groups who bought it
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The recent fluctuations in Bitcoin’s value are just the latest in a series of spectacular peaks and troughs since it was created in 2009. (Though its price has been falling recently, it remains five times higher than last April, before the latest major peak began.)
Commentators are often dismissive of Bitcoin buyers, writing them off as naive victims of a fraudulent bubble. But if we look more carefully, we can trace the history of Bitcoin through five key narratives. Each has drawn in a different group of buyers and in doing so contributed to its long-term growth in value.
The idealists
Bitcoin arose from a tiny group of cryptographers who were trying to solve the “double spend” problem facing digital money: “cash” held as a digital file could easily be copied and then used multiple times. The problem is easily solved by financial institutions, who use a secure central ledger to record how much everyone has in their accounts, but the cryptographers wanted a solution that was more akin to physical cash: private, untraceable, and independent of third parties like the banks.
Satoshi Nakamoto’s solution was the Bitcoin blockchain, a cryptographically secured public ledger that records transactions anonymously and is kept as multiple copies on many different users’ computers. The first narrative of Bitcoin’s value was built into Nakamoto’s original “white paper”. This claimed that Bitcoin would be superior to existing forms of electronic money such as credit cards, providing benefits like eliminating chargebacks to merchants and reducing transaction fees.
The libertarians
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But from an early stage, Nakamoto also marketed Bitcoin to a libertarian audience. He did so by stressing the absence of any central authority and particularly Bitcoin’s independence from both states and existing financial institutions.
Nakamoto criticised central banks for debasing money by issuing increasing amounts of it and designed Bitcoin to have a hard limit on the amount that could be issued. And he stressed the anonymity of Bitcoin transactions: safe, more or less, from the prying eyes of the state. Libertarians became enthusiastic advocates and buyers of Bitcoin, more as an act of rebellion than for financial reasons. They have remained highly influential in the Bitcoin community.
The savvy young
These, however, were small constituencies, and Bitcoin really started to take off in July 2010 when a short article on Slashdot: News for nerds, stuff that matters(“news for nerds”) spread the word to many young and technically savvy buyers. This community was influenced by the “Californian ideology” – belief in the capacity of technology and entrepreneurs to transform the world.
Many bought small quantities at a low price and were somewhat bemused to find themselves sitting on significant investments when the price multiplied. They became used to huge fluctuations in the price and frequently advocated “hodling” Bitcoin (a mis-spelling of “hold”, first used in a now iconic message posted by an inebriated user determined to resist constant “sell” messages from day traders). The hodlers insisted, half seriously, that Bitcoin was going “to the moon!” (used 178,000 times on the bitcointalk forums), and talked of buying “lambos” (lamborghinis) with their gains. This countercultural levity generated a sense of community and a commitment to holding Bitcoin that helps to sustain its value.
The investors
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The last two groups that have contributed to Bitcoin’s history are more conventional. What I consider the fourth group of investors consists of speculators who have been attracted by the volatility and peaks in Bitcoin prices.
On the one hand, we have the day traders, who hope to exploit the volatility of Bitcoin’s price by buying and selling quickly to take advantage of short-term price movements. Like speculators in any other asset, they have no real interest in the larger picture or of questions of inherent value, but only in the price today. Their only narratives are “buy” and “sell”, often employed in an attempt to influence the market.
On the other hand, we have those who are drawn in by news of price bubbles. Ironically, bubble narratives in the press, often designed to deter investors, can have the opposite effect. These investors join what Keynes called a “beauty contest” – they only care what other people might be prepared to pay for a Bitcoin in the short to medium term future.
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The portfolio balancers
The final and newest group of Bitcoin buyers are the portfolio balancers: more sophisticated investors who buy Bitcoin to hedge against wider risks in the financial system. According to modern portfolio theory, investors can reduce the riskiness of their portfolios overall by buying some Bitcoin because its peaks and troughs don’t line up with those of other assets, providing some insurance against stock market crashes. This is an emerging group, but one that could significantly raise Bitcoin’s acceptability among mainstream investors.
Bitcoin’s value, then, has been built on an evolving series of narratives which have drawn in successive waves of buyers. While mainstream commentators are often dismissive of Bitcoin as lacking inherent value, all asset market values depend on narrative processes like these.
Bitcoin may well collapse again, but so may any other financial asset. Investing in Bitcoin is neither more nor less risky than investing in the latest technology company launched on the stock market without ever having made a profit.
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[MOD] Rules for Posting / How to avoid scams

All posts must have a country code regardless of whether it's a digital sale or physical sale.
The proper title format is as follows:
[Country Abbreviation Goes Here] [H] Games [W] PayPal / Amazon
or if you're looking to buy something
[Country Abbreviation Goes Here] [H] PayPal [W] Games, Console, Accessories, etc.
For example, if you're located in Canada, you would use [CAN]. If you are located in the United States, you would use [USA].So on and so forth.
If you want to do a local transaction, you can include your exact state or providence in your post text.
[H] = Have [W] = Want

TIPS FOR SAFE SELLING

We are going to try to point out some tell-tale signs of the most Common Scams so you can hopefully identify them and walk away before being taken advantage of!

IF IT SEEMS TOO GOOD TO BE TRUE - IT PROBABLY IS.

Is someone offering you an AMAZING deal mere seconds after you posted your thread?!?
HIT PAUSE!!
DON'T RUSH to accept your first offer. Slow down, take a deep breathe.
TAKE YOUR TIME! Chances are that if you simply give your thread a few hours, you will get several offers!
Then you can research, investigate and EVENTUALLY choose who you want to swap with, sell to or buy from.

DIGITAL CODES ARE HIGH RISK ITEMS...

Once redeemed, you cannot get back your Digital Code, PSN/XBL credit, or your Amazon Gift Card.
If you give one out and it gets redeemed, it's gone forever... so don't rush into a deal.

BEFORE SWAPPING... GET TO KNOW YOUR PARTNER

FIRST ask yourself...
Where did the offer come from?!
Was it made to me in my Public Trade Thread? [COOL]
Or was it sent directly to me in a PM? [NOT COOL]

REMEMBER: Banned users can still send you PM's!

You should always require a comment in your thread before swapping with ANYONE. It doesn't matter how much rep they have, how old their account is, or how much karma they have. No comment in your Thread -- NO DEALS. Scammers/banned users can still browse the forums and send PM's but they cannot post in threads. We can't double-ban users who are already banned. PLEASE STOP negotiating through PM's with banned users! This happens FAR TOO OFTEN.
Reminder: For a deal to count towards Flair, we REQUIRE a comment from your partner in your thread... and everyone wants flair... right?! If you accept an offer via a PM it can never count towards flair.
TL;DR: If you accept offers in Private Messages you're going to get scammed. Enough already.
**NEXT...**ask youself...
How old is their account? Are you, as the OP, checking the Account Age of the people sending you offers?
Do they have Flair, Completed Trades, an /MushroomKingdom Thread, or Rep Elsewhere?? When checking their Rep are you checking that the user is actually linking THEIR OWN REP? Check the spelling and account age on the Rep page (/MushroomKingdom thread, etc) Compare it to the spelling and account age of the user commenting in your thread. Are they the same? Scammers may create accounts with similar looking names to trick you into thinking they have "rep". Is the user linking to 'rep' on /Mushroomkingdom or are they using a personal subreddit? We will NEVER vet trades on someone's personal subreddit. If they link you to a personal subreddit for 'rep' - that is an immediate red flag.
What other subreddits do they post on? Are they an obnoxious human being? Do they troll Subs or users in other Subs? Are they only posting in giveaway threads and asking for freebies? Have you used the Universal Scammer List search option? It takes a minute or two to search and give you an update on when, where and why they were banned. Do they have an old account, but no posts, comments, or submission history AT ALL?!? (HUGE red flag)

PAYPAL GIFT (Friends/Family) V. GOODS & SERVICES –

If you pay someone via PayPal, understand the risks and differences between the two types of payments. There is a 3% fee for payments sent as goods/services but it allows you to initiate a claim if there is a problem. If you send payment as a gift (F&F), you CANNOT initiate a claim to dispute the charges. As a buyer spending an extra 3% for your item shouldn't add more than $1-2 to the cost of your item. As a seller you could just build that cost into the price of your item. You can not, as per PayPals terms of service, ask the buyer to "cover fees" out right. Also, as a seller, you have the Invoice option which provides sellers protection. Please review how to properly send an invoice over at PayPal.

USE TRACKING & EXPECT TRACKING –

Domestic Shipping using Paypal will always include free tracking. So does EVERY method of Domestic shipping from the Post Office and UPS/FedEx. Just because someone gives you a tracking number, doesn’t mean that the item has been shipped. You can generate a tracking number online without sending anything. If you’re expecting the other party to go first, make sure the package is updated on the USPS website as "package received" and NOT just "shipping information received". Scammers may generate a tracking number for you but never actually ship the item.

THE FAKE PAYPAL INVOICE SCAM –

You've agreed to sell an item to a buyer...
The Buyer says - check your e-mail, "Payment" sent".
The Buyer actually sends you an invoice - NOT - payment.
The Scammer will fake a Payment Confirmation... by creating an invoice - and immediately marking it paid.
Paypal allows the sender of an Invoice to write whatever they want in the message field. So a scammer may write something like, "You have received a payment from ScammerMcScammerFace. Payments may can take 24-48 hours to appear in your Paypal Account". This may create the illusion that you have received payment when in reality - the Buyer has just created an invoice - sent it to you - and marked it paid immediately. In reality, Paypal Payments normally appear immediately. So check your account... if you don't see any payment - or pending payment - it might be a scam. While Paypal may hold funds - or delay their availability - the transaction almost always shows up in your Paypal Activity immediately. If the user starts to get pushy, playing the victim, calling you a scammer or really doing anything other than saying, "Let me know when the payment shows up"... immediately MESSAGE THE MODS. An exmaple can be seen here: Paypal Invoice Scam

OBVIOUS RED FLAGS

NEW ACCOUNTS
If the account is only hours old, or even a few days old, be on high alert. Not all new accounts are scammers, but I’d bet a very large portion are, ESPECIALLY if they’re asking you to send first.
THE VICTIMS PLEA
“Oh, I’ve been scammed before, so I’m not comfortable sending first” or "I need money quickly to buy _________ (fill in the blank - game on sale, food, medicine, etc)". While this may be true for some people, that's not your problem. If you are inclined to believe them - ask for proof of the scam. When did it happen? How? What was it for? Do they have any confirmed trades? Did they report it? Did they post on /BadKarma?
REQUIRES A NON-REFUNDABLE PAYMENT
It’s one thing if someone prefers or asks for gift payments or Amazon/Xbox/Playstation gift cards, but anyone that won’t even give you the option to using Paypal (Goods/Services) is most likely a scammer. The scammer wants you to pay using a source that offers no buyer protection. If you pay for something using any kind of Gift Card of Digital Credit instead of Paypal goods/services, you cannot dispute the payment to reclaim your money if you get scammed... so stop it.
ACCEPTS GOODS/SERVICES, BUT ACCOUNT UNVERFIED
Unverified accounts means Paypal has NO personal information about that user. No Bank Account, No Address. NOTHING. If you are dealing with an Unverified Account - I would exercise caution. While most Unverified Accounts may not be scammers, I may ask that they go first - or walk away if I see other red flags along with their Unverified Status.
ALTERNATE CURRENCIES
Is a user only accepting Amazon gift cards, Digital currencies (bitcoin) or PSN/XBL Credit? Personally - I will NEVER pay for an item with those types of currencies. If the user wants PSN Credit... let them buy it on their own with the money I send them in Paypal. These digital currencies are HIGH RISK items that can not be reclaimed once used.
I NEED YOU TO PAY FIRST SO I CAN AFFORD TO SHIP YOUR ITEM
Don't walk... RUN. If someone doesn’t even have $5 to ship an item to you, you are probably never going to see the item anyway.

RULE AND COMMON COURTESY REMINDERS

NO THREAD CRAPPING
This comes in all shapes and sizes, but it boils down to one thing, if your comment does nothing except hinder another users ability to make a transaction, be it a trade or sale/purchase, it is thread crapping. Using comparison prices in order to negotiate is ok. Asking why in the hell someone thinks they’ll get $25 for a game when it is currently “on sale everywhere for $20” is not. This isn’t just common courtesy – it’s a rule, and for good reason.
REPLY TO ALL OFFERS
And be civil in doing so. We want people to enjoy exchanging games without worrying about aggressive attitudes. It takes less than 5 seconds to reply “no thanks” if you’re not interested in someone’s offer. We have a D.B.A.D. (don't be a dick) rule here for good reason and bans will be handed out to anyone that refuses to treat everyone with respect.
STAY IN CONTACT
We’re all human beings. We all have family, school, work, bills, lives, etc. Shit happens. Things come up. Sometimes delays occur... and that’s okay. Just keep your trade partner informed, and don’t let a delay turn into a non-delivery. Because then you’re gonna have a bad time.
USE THE REPORT FEATURE & SEND A MOD-MESSAGE
There’s no need for you to enforce the rules yourself. If you see a violation of the rules, hit report and enter a reason. These come to us anonymously, though you’re free to put your name in the report if you’d like. If you report something PLEASE also message the moderators if the report requires explanation. If you report a thread and say, "User is a scammer" you HAVE to message us with proof. We want to ban scammers... but we have to have proof. As moderators, we aren’t all on 24/7, and sometimes things will slip past us. We will always rely on the community to help us weed out the bad apples. So hit report, send us a message, but don’t get into a pissing contest over the rules with other users.
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Dubes vs Jeran, the fraud case malarky

This subject actually came up before, and I mentioned it when Red's Rhetoric was chasing this rumour. However I recently fell upon this rather fun back and forth between Lord Eric Dubay, saviour of the Flat Earth Movement, and Jeran 'everything is fake and gay!' Campanella.
Basically it appears that Jeran was involved with a gentleman who was/is wanted for fraud, and walking off with $80,000, considering that Jeran has a very public profile and if he was genuinely trying to hide from anyone I don't doubt that he had no idea and isn't wanted for fraud, however this dialogue between them shows the hot-headedness of both of these flat Earth behemoths.
Eric Dubay: Everything is cataloged here in this thread for everyone who wants to see the truth instead of listen to Jeran carry on with his lies about me and IFERS:ifers.boards.net/thread/522/saying-hi-happy-jeranism You have been formally accused of stealing that money Jeran, and JeranCampanella.com was created by the man who accused you of stealing the $80,000. I'm sure you will maintain that you did not, but I am just stating what I have read, that is NOT libel. On that website that was made about you it claims that you threatened him much like you're doing to me now! web.archive.org/.../http://jerancampanella.com/ If you are innocent then you have nothing to worry about man, I'm just reporting what people on IFERS dug up about your past. Just saying hi! Happy to be here! Jeranism | The International Flat Earth Research... ifers.boards.net
Jeranism Changer: You are fucking done. I will go to court then. What an idiot! I WAS AN INVESTIGATOR
Jeran's insane rant as follows : Jeranism Changer: I wrote for cryptocoinnews.com
Eric Dubay: Go to court with what? That I reported on someone's accusation of you? Good luck with that.
Jeranism Changer: www.cryptocoinsnews.com/authojeran-campanella/ Jeran Campanella, Author at CCN: Financial Bitcoin News I'm a married, self employed husband, father, friend... cryptocoinsnews.com
Jeranism Changer: YOU ACCUSED ME
Jeranism Changer: I have it screen shot
Jeranism Changer: You have publicly stated that I stole $80,000 WHAT KIND OF RESEARCH DO YOU CALL THIS?
Eric Dubay: You can read it yourself: web.archive.org/.../http://jerancampanella.com/ Please explain yourself. Jeran Campanella Scammer Extortionist | Jeran Campanella is a scammer and extortionist Jeran Campanella Scammer Extortionist July 13, 2014 admin 1 Comment Jeran Campanella posts lies about Dr. Michael Moriarty and attempts to extort him for 20 Bitcoins to halt his nefarious campaign of personal defamation .. EMAIL PROOF of EXTORTION/BLACKMAIL: After corresponding with Jeran Campanella… web.archive.org
Jeranism Changer: bitscan.com/articles/autho4302 Bitcoin News, Analysis, Interviews and Features - BitScan App for iPhone - The World of Bitcoin... bitscan.com
Jeranism Changer: I also wrote for bitscan you idiot
Jeranism Changer: That is being reported by the guy who stole the $80k!!!
Jeranism Changer: DO you think police don't do their job?
Eric Dubay: Right, he said that you stole it, but you say that he stole it, correct?
Jeranism Changer: If I was guilty of anything I would be arrested you fool! You did no research! You cannot just post things you find on the internet on a page that the FBI has removed OMG
Jeranism Changer: This is classic
Jeranism Changer: NO! He is wanted by the FBI
Jeranism Changer: I'm right here clown! Call the police. Call the FBI
Jeranism Changer: I was the one that found out about him so he posted that as retaliation
Jeranism Changer: YOU DID ZERO RESEARCH YOU FOOL
Jeranism Changer: See what happens?
Jeranism Changer: You got so fucking paranoid you fucking made up a story! How would I be Dr. Michael Moriarty? You think I just slipped the FBI? Wow. I was writing for bitcoin sites as I explained and got an admissionof guilt from Moriarty
Jeranism Changer: What do you want? All emails? Between me and Ricky James? Me and Moriarty? All the ICANN and Corespndence with IC3?
Jeranism Changer: OMG you posted something from the way back machine? That was pulled when the investigators saw it was from him.
Eric Dubay: What's your proof that that guy exists? The only record of his existence I can find is your text interview with him.
Eric Dubay: His picture looks a lot like Connor McGregor in a top hat smile emoticon
Jeranism Changer: My evidence... anything you want... emails?
Jeranism Changer: I have months worth? Vancouver police reports
Jeranism Changer: HOW COULD I BE GUILTY IF I USE MY REAL NAME
Eric Dubay: Anyway Jeran, to appease your wishes I will state that I have no idea what happened with this case. Someone at IFERS brought it to my attention. You were indeed accused of this, but I personally will not weigh in on the legitimacy of the claims, okay?
Jeranism Changer: I can't believe of all people you just post this shit when I worked so hard for 7 months to recover funds from a scammer because I felt bad AND IT WAS NO FAULT OF MINE
Jeranism Changer: You already did!
Eric Dubay: You asked me to formally retract that statement, though, so I am.
Jeranism Changer: I worked my ass off to catch a scammer- I am no longer involved in bitcoin because this can happen
Jeranism Changer: This man set-up fake sites in the dozens, stole money and isn't real and with TOR and Proxies stole over $245,000
Eric Dubay: They haven't caught him yet though right?
Jeranism Changer: No he isn't real! How do you catch him?
Jeranism Changer: You don't think my ip was checked when I AM THE ONE WHO GOT THE ADMISSION?
Eric Dubay: Who created his persona?
Jeranism Changer: Haha oh wow. How would I know? We had several leads, about 3-4 names but they are people who are scammers
Jeranism Changer: His name is Eddie Temple
Jeranism Changer: same guy who runs this dockets.justia.com/.../waedce/2:2011mc00007/54559 craigslist Inc v. Tse et al Other case filed on July 29, 2011 in the Washington Eastern District Court dockets.justia.com
Jeranism Changer: Also goes by Shui Young Richard Tse
Jeranism Changer: Also runs operations under Eddie Temple Promotions LTD
Jeranism Changer: He lost a 1.6 million dollar case to Craigs List and they couldn't find him
Jeranism Changer: That's why bitcoin is no good. Nobody could have done this with money or PayPal or credit cards or checks.
Eric Dubay: Alright dude, I appreciate hearing your side of it, I was just reporting on what I'd read.
Jeranism Changer: That's not cool!
Jeranism Changer: Where you read what?
Jeranism Changer: Show me where you read that I stole $80,000
Eric Dubay: It's publicly available on the internet: web.archive.org/.../http://jerancampanella.com/ Jeran Campanella Scammer Extortionist | Jeran Campanella is a scammer and extortionist Jeran Campanella Scammer Extortionist July 13, 2014 admin 1 Comment Jeran Campanella posts lies about Dr. Michael Moriarty and attempts to extort him for 20 Bitcoins to halt his nefarious campaign of personal defamation .. EMAIL PROOF of EXTORTION/BLACKMAIL: After corresponding with Jeran Campanella… web.archive.org
Jeranism Changer: And why you wouldn't come to me first
Jeranism Changer: DUDE YOU HAVE GOT TO BE KIDDING ME.
Jeranism Changer: Who would make a site in someone else's name?
Jeranism Changer: the site name was jerancampanella.com
Eric Dubay: Wasn't that site created by the person who accused you?
Jeranism Changer: Do you think that if you extorted me or blackmailed me I would make ericdubay.com or call the goddamn police
Jeranism Changer: Accused me? THAT ISN'T HOW YOU ACCUSE PEOPLE
Jeranism Changer: It was made by an anonymous website scammer
Eric Dubay: So an anonymous website scammer decided to make a website with your full name and accuse you of scamming?
Jeranism Changer: Of course it was... I outed him and got his admission
Jeranism Changer: WHO ELSE WOULD?
Eric Dubay: Where is his admission?
Jeranism Changer: Wow dude I have lost all respect. You can't even use your brain
Jeranism Changer: If I did a crime I would be arrested
Jeranism Changer: I'll show you even though we should be incourt
Jeranism Changer: YOU ARE AN ASS Eric Dubay
Jeranism Changer: One sec
Eric Dubay: Why am I an ass who can't use his brain for asking questions?
Jeranism Changer: Jeranism Changer's photo.
At this point it appears that Jeran posts images, probably evidence in his favour, however the transcript I found didn't include it
Jeranism Changer: hold up- that is when he responded he had no idea the accusation
Jeranism Changer: Jeranism Changer's photo.
Again appears to be a photo
Jeranism Changer: Wait- what did you say to me?
Jeranism Changer: Why am I an ass who can't use his brain for asking questions?
Jeranism Changer: what does this mean^
Eric Dubay: Yes, you called me an ass and said I can't use my brain.
Eric Dubay: apparently because I've asked you questions
Jeranism Changer: Dude- you did no research and said publicly that I stole $80k
Jeranism Changer: You could ask me first
Enter what appears to be a bystander sick of the thread
Kenneth DeGrasse: apologize. shake hands. get back to work.
Jeranism Changer: How in the hell would I be out and about under my real name if what you said was true?
Jeranism Changer: Jeranism Changer's photo.
Jeranism Changer: This is the kind of person I am Eric Dubay
Jeranism Changer: I was offerred hush money by this thief
Jeranism Changer: I refused and he finally admitted to the theft
Eric Dubay: But he hasn't been caught?
Jeranism Changer: How many times do I have to tell you that we tried for 7 months
Jeranism Changer: I was trying to do good and I had my name dragged through the mud
Jeranism Changer: spent 100's of hours tracking him and all for a few leads
Jeranism Changer: this is why bitcoin is badd
Eric Dubay: How do we know you aren't Michael Moriarty? He sounds a lot like you in those emails and that's what the person who made that website accused you of.
Jeranism Changer: once you pay in btc, it is gone. The customer sent him 80k and he kept it
Jeranism Changer: OMG.. You don't think this was checked? IP addresses Eric Dubay
Eric Dubay: You could've shifted the blame to this fake guy to clear yourself. After 7 months they gave up? IP addresses can be changed.
Jeranism Changer: Do you want the phone # for the Detectives? IP3? Ricky James? Who?
Eric Dubay: We already have all that on IFERS
Eric Dubay: If you have nothing to hide, this publicly available information shouldn't be a concern.
Jeranism Changer: YOU SAID I STOLE 80k you clown
Jeranism Changer: Eric you want to know the sad truth?
Jeranism Changer: The real truth of bitcoin?
Eric Dubay: What's that?
Jeranism Changer: bitlaunder.com/ Launder Bitcoin Completely erase the origins of your bitcoin and de-couple them from previous transactions. We... bitlaunder.com
Jeranism Changer: He still runs the sites
Eric Dubay: MM?
Jeranism Changer: coinchimp.com/ Anonymous Bitcoin Exchange CoinChimp enables you to buy and sell Bitcoins with cash in your local city quickly, easily and anonymously.... coinchimp.com
Jeranism Changer: All Dr. Michael Moriarty
Jeranism Changer: Yes MM
Jeranism Changer: WTF
Eric Dubay: WTF What?
Jeranism Changer: Call the police and have them come check me. You are unbelievable
Jeranism Changer: Because with bitcoin- as I said- you can steal
Jeranism Changer: The money is not traceable and he just keeps going
Jeranism Changer: Do you want to talk to Ricky James?
Eric Dubay: I'm just responding to your diatribe, I'm not on a witch hunt, people on IFERS were digging stuff up and I reported on what I read. I'm not interested in pursuing you or this matter. You tagged me and threatened me so I'm here responding to your threats.
Jeranism Changer: hold on he made a pdf
Eric Dubay: I've seen the pdf
Jeranism Changer: SO you already know
Jeranism Changer: Call Ricky
Eric Dubay: I've read, but I don't know, I'm just looking at the evidence from all angles.
Jeranism Changer: Call Detective Fenton Vancouver police
Jeranism Changer: NO YOU ARENT YOU SAID I STOLE 80k
Eric Dubay: I've retracted my statement per your threat.
Jeranism Changer: Is this how you treat evidence? You took no time and trusted your paranoid little clan
Eric Dubay: You demanded I retract said statement and tagged me in your diatrbie.
Jeranism Changer: on my Youtube and your site?
Eric Dubay: Just a sec.
Jeranism Changer: You have showed your true colors Mr. Eric Dubay
Jeranism Changer: Unbelievable that you would make that claim using no evidence other than a site in my own name calling me a scammer?
Enter a popcorn chomping observer with his oar, and incorrect spelling
Don Adams: This is to funny!!!!
And expected response from Jeran
Jeranism Changer: Cool Don- Youre an ass too
Jeranism Changer: He did no research
Jeranism Changer: confirmation bias by paranoid little minions. Those are your friends Eric?
Jeranism Changer: You have proven me absolutely right. That forum you have is a problem. You don't need protectors Eric Dubay
Don Adams: Man you need to grow a pair! I have no investment in either of you 2 asshats.
Jeranism Changer: Well it isn't funny
Eric Dubay: Ok, I have corrected both on YouTube and the forum. I had originally written "we have discovered on the thread above that you have been caught using multiple aliases and scamming people out of bitcoin money, one person out of $80,000." But as you have corrected me here, you were not "caught," but merely "accused of" so I have changed them to say: "we have discovered on the thread above that you have been accused of using multiple aliases and scamming people out of bitcoin money, one person out of $80,000." Neither of these are "libelous" though. The first one was simply incorrect because you haven't been caught.
The tail end of the conversation sees many getting involved
Dorcas Leigh: when the truth is presented... it is easy to see.... whereas a lie, can NEVER be proved
Jeranism Changer: A scammer stole a man's savings and because I have a heart I helped him and searched and gathered evidence for 7 months
Jeranism Changer: THEN TO HAVE SOMEONE WHO SAYS HE IS ABOUT TRUTH ACCUSE ME OF BEING THE VERY MAN I WAS HUNTING?
Jeranism Changer: YOU ARE SO DUMB
Jeranism Changer: Show me where that accusation is?
Jeranism Changer: Nevrermind- I'm taking you to court- gave you your chance- Its called Libel. I have saved this thread as well as all original posts
This next post has lost it's formatting and it's hard to work out how much is the quote and how much isn't
Fred Dibb-Western: 22 minutes ago Admin, lizardking and 2 more like this. Quote Post Options Post by thinkforyourself on 22 minutes ago
There is no doubt about it; he is a scammer and a Government Shill.
We cannot trust anything that he says or does.
you are already condemned Jeran lol
Don Adams: Lol
Eric Dubay: Lol is right.
Jeranism Changer: Good for you all. Hope you sell a bunch of books Eric. I gave you every shot
Dorcas Leigh: Eric... bro... you need to put yerself in his shoes for a minute... look at who YOU are .. to other's... and who Jeran is... to other's... and realEYES how this is affecting everyone... and be responsible for what YOU do... this is yer MOM speaking... !!!! heart emoticon
Eric Dubay: Saying you were caught for a scam you were only accused of is not libelous.
Eric Dubay: It's incorrect, and I have corrected the mistake to say "accused of."
Jeranism Changer: I was not accused you clown
Jeranism Changer: THE SCAMMER ACCUSED ME
Eric Dubay: This is an accusation: web.archive.org/.../http://jerancampanella.com/ Jeran Campanella Scammer Extortionist | Jeran Campanella is a scammer and extortionist Jeran Campanella Scammer Extortionist July 13, 2014 admin 1 Comment Jeran Campanella posts lies about Dr. Michael Moriarty and attempts to extort him for 20 Bitcoins to halt his nefarious campaign of personal defamation .. EMAIL PROOF of EXTORTION/BLACKMAIL: After corresponding with Jeran Campanella… web.archive.org
Jeranism Changer: If someone accuses a crime- you go to the police
Eric Dubay: That's what you say. You say he's the scammer, he says you are.
Jeranism Changer: Can't you use your fucking head!!!!
Jeranism Changer: OMG I am right here stupid clown
Eric Dubay: Yes I can.
Eric Dubay: Hello.
Jeranism Changer: That site isn't up anymore
Jeranism Changer: No you can't
Jeranism Changer: You are an idiot
Eric Dubay: You are emotional.
Jeranism Changer: I respected you
Jeranism Changer: I spoke highly about you
Eric Dubay: I respected you, that's why I gave you $200
Jeranism Changer: YEAH!
Eric Dubay: Same here.
Jeranism Changer: IM LIVID
Eric Dubay: I see that.
Jeranism Changer: I CHASED THAT SCAMMER FOR 7 MONTHS NOW U SAY I AM HIM
Jeranism Changer: How does that feel to me?
Eric Dubay: It shouldn't feel like anything if it's false. I'm just reporting on a claim made publicly on the internet that anyone can see.
Jeranism Changer: There is no fucking legit claim! C'mon use your brain dude
Eric Dubay: Why are you so upset dude?
Jeranism Changer: accusing me of extrotion
Jeranism Changer: the site is jerancampanella.com
Jeranism Changer: Are you kidding?
Eric Dubay: Yes, be mad at him.
Jeranism Changer: Cause you blindly trust your team of crackheads over there
Jeranism Changer: The site has been removed right?
Eric Dubay: No I don't, I'm asking you, but you're just acting more suspicious.
Eric Dubay: Threatening me and getting upset, calling me names.
Jeranism Changer: Because the IC3 found it unvalid
Jeranism Changer: You pulled the info off a site that had been removed
Dorcas Leigh: wrong Eric... you are not considering who YOU are.. people value your 'opinion'.. and are moved by it... it would be different if you were just an ouotside spectator... but you are NOT and Jeran is not... you are being irresponsible and childish and egocentered... in your stillness?
Eric Dubay: So what do you guys want?
Eric Dubay: You tagged me and told me to respond.
Eric Dubay: I'm here.
Jeranism Changer: I want respect
Eric Dubay: Lol. Earn it.
Jeranism Changer: Wow
Jeranism Changer: I told you I would
Dorcas Leigh: eye want you boys to kiss and make up ...we have work to do
Eric Dubay: I wasn't impressed with the laser test, were you?
Eric Dubay: Why hasn't it been shined across the ocean yet?
Jeranism Changer: Eric can we talk PM
Eric Dubay: Publicly is fine.
Jeranism Changer: It has... did you watch last night?
Jeranism Changer: And by the way- I'll send you the $200 back
Jeranism Changer: LAST THING I WANT
Jeranism Changer: absolute no interest
Eric Dubay: I don't want my money back, I just want you to stop threatening me.
Eric Dubay: Will you stop threatening me with unfounded lawsuits?
Jeranism Changer: I didn't threaten you- you trusted your paranoid crack research team that did terrible investigating
Jeranism Changer: Ever heard of confirmation bias?
Eric Dubay: Just because I said: "we have discovered on the thread above that you have been accused of using multiple aliases and scamming people out of bitcoin money, one person out of $80,000." That is not libel, it is reporting on an actual accusation. You have given your side and I really don't care to be honest.
It's at this point one of the onlookers has a bloody good idea
Dorcas Leigh: take it to the motel guys.. and come back when you cool off... people will be saving these conversations and throwing them back at you.. be careful.. take responsibility for this movemnet which you have in a BIG way been the impetus for
Does anyone take any notice of Dorcas Leigh?
Jeranism Changer: ERIC IT IS A LIE
Jeranism Changer: Show me where it says 80k
Jeranism Changer: You keep lying that is how I know you did no research
Jeranism Changer: You trusted your dumb followers
Jeranism Changer: Show me said accusation
Jeranism Changer: The link you keep posting says 20 btc
Jeranism Changer: Jeranism Changer's photo.
Eric Dubay: Ricky James said 80K: ifers.boards.net/post/11355/thread Just saying hi! Happy to be here! Jeranism | The International Flat Earth Research... ifers.boards.net
Jeranism Changer: Prove the $80,000 claim you keep making
Eric Dubay: It's not my claim, I'm reporting on someone else's claim.
Jeranism Changer: RICKY JAMES is the customer accusing MM
Jeranism Changer: You said it as fact- it is a lie
Eric Dubay: And MM is suspected to be a fake name you created.
Jeranism Changer: show me anywhere is says I am accused of 80k
Eric Dubay: I said you were accused of it, that's true.
Jeranism Changer: That's another count
Jeranism Changer: These are all being recorded
Jeranism Changer: You can't just say lies
Jeranism Changer: NO IDIOT WOULD EVER THINK I AM MM IF THEY ACTUALLY LOOKED INTO THIS
Eric Dubay: Good, then chill out.
Jeranism Changer: There are email records - talk to RickyJames
Jeranism Changer: Eric you think I deserve this?
Eric Dubay: Deserve what?
Jeranism Changer: Moriarty put me through straight hell for 8 months
Jeranism Changer: Deserve what?
Jeranism Changer: Dude I cannot believe what happened to you
At this point I personally was feeling a bit of pity for Jeran, but what came next was, well, paranoia only capable by someone who believes that the world is flat
Jeranism Changer: They got to you didn't they
Jeranism Changer: smh
Jeranism Changer: All about truth while posting false accusation after blatant lie
Christian Acero: hope [email protected] getting paid forall this cyphening...etc
Jeranism Changer: You read the PDF Eric? That Ricky James wrote?
The paranoia... it is beginning to hurt
Dorcas Leigh: eye cant believe Eric posted something which would injure Jeran, without confronting him first... right after JUST sending him 200 bucks... you know what... this is starting to stink ... of, "gotten to'... if not... then grow up Eric, you acted hastily and without consideration for what it may cause , not only Jeran, but this entire movement...do you GET that??! n... say you are sorry, and tell the TRUTH....... did someone threaten you recently?
Jeranism Changer: All he had to do is think
Jeranism Changer: Use critical thinking and not confirmation bias
Eric Dubay: Ok, I'm sorry and will use more critical thinking next time, okay daddy?
Jeranism Changer: You guys went on a witch hunt and thought you found something
Jeranism Changer: I don't want to be your daddy- friends woulda been good
Jeranism Changer: Did you read the pdf?
Eric Dubay: Ok friend.
Dorcas Leigh: eye dont mind bein yer daddy.... lolol
Michael J Kahnke: Some crack team over there at IFERS, eh? If I were you, Eric Dubay? I'd delete the post, and not change around a couple words to see if you can make it less slanderous. I think Jeran has explained and shared enough that we can see this is an unfair attack, motivated by someone who is seeking a dishonest gain. To continue to feed these rumors by twisting the language around looks baaaaad. You just bought the scandal when you decided to 'tweak' it, instead of erase it.
Jeranism Changer: If you read that just think- how would Ricky James know to email me?
Jeranism Changer: Here we go
Jeranism Changer: Watch out it's Eric's handlers
Jeranism Changer: Eric I want to see you understand me
Jeranism Changer: THINK DUDE- According to your little theory I would have to be all 3 people
Jeranism Changer: In which case what? I stole 80k from me?
Jeranism Changer: You jumped to conclusions and this is the order of the day at your paranoid forum
Jeranism Changer: Innocent till proven guilty..... You guys go by guilty till we find proof then confirmed guilty
Fred Dibb-Western: you should see the circle jerk which is going down at the IFERS right now
Jeranism Changer: Oh I bet
Jeranism Changer: They thought they found something
Jeranism Changer: Turns out they found a case that was me being a good person and helping someone try and catch a thief for 8 months- costing my family and I money while I had my name dragged in the mud
These damn people keep getting involved about what the thread was originally about, damn them for staying on topic
Josh Bailey: Jeranism, how far can that laser actually shine spec wise?
Jeranism Changer: BUT there is no way that any investigation could come to the conclusion that I am MM
Eric Dubay: Do you know how guilty you sound?
Eric Dubay: You won't shut up about it.
Jeranism Changer: MM is still running sites... stealing money... FBI is on him- like Eric and his team beat the FBI in realizing it was me the journalist the whole time. And I woulda gotta way with it too if it wasn't for those kids
Jeranism Changer: Keep bringing it clown
Jeranism Changer: Every time you know is another charge>
Jeranism Changer: You know that right?
Jeranism Changer: 14 so far
Eric Dubay: Lol.
Eric Dubay: 14 charges of exposing douches on the net?
Jeranism Changer: Wow
Jeranism Changer: You have no brain
Eric Dubay: 15, right?
Jeranism Changer: None
Eric Dubay: Can't say douche?
Jeranism Changer: no
Dorcas Leigh: take responsibility for actions quickly... if yer gonna be a truth guru.. wee little folk...are gonna make you earn it... grow up... dont hang in that ego or it will destroy you
Jeranism Changer: you can say that
Eric Dubay: Lol, and what are the 14 things you decided I can't say?
Jeranism Changer: every time you said 80k and post that post that the IC3 pulled
Josh Bailey: the last thing I wanna hear is something to do with the flat earth being in court, I reckon that would infect the movement big time
Jeranism Changer: I don't want to take this guy to court
Jeranism Changer: You have no idea the respect I had till 12 hours ago
Jeranism Changer: makes me sick
Josh Bailey: mate just do your testing and you will gain unbelievable respect, there is 7+ billion people in the world and youtube is a hit. When you get your test results in everything is gonna blow up for the good of the world lol
Eric Dubay: Yes, focus on that please.
Eric Dubay: Let's see this video.
Eric Dubay: Can you get to work on that for us instead of threatening and freaking out at me for posting links?
Jeranism Changer: We are done Eric Dubay
Eric Dubay: Yay!
Josh Bailey: it would be best man, I don't wanna sound like I am taking sides because I am not, but focusing on negativity never gets anything good done, lets focus on the test and good will come i promise you. You can never solve a situation with the vibration that caused it.
Jeranism Changer: Did you see the live stream last night?
Jeranism Changer: Let me guess you talked more shit on my YT making comments on the video you haven't seen
Eric Dubay: I thought so, but didn't see the part where the laser goes all the way across the ocean and proves the flat Earth.
Dorcas Leigh: we feel that too Jeran ... .. its like disillusionment and betrayal... we all LOVE you Eric! ... and Jeran! heart emoticon
Jeranism Changer: Then you didn't watch at all
Jeranism Changer: You are talking shit and all this through what your team says
Eric Dubay: I watched on Ustream and YouTube, sorry I missed it. Can you give me a link with a time-stamp?
Jeranism Changer: You don't even exist anymore
Josh Bailey: is there any chance it can be uploaded to your channel, I missed it
Jeranism Changer: You are lizardking
Jeranism Changer: Eric you didn't see it but talked shit this morning about it
Eric Dubay: No, I'm not. Now who's making unfounded accusations? I'm taking you to court for calling me lizardking. Did you know that's libelous?
Jeranism Changer: THAT IS REAL RESEARCH?
Jeranism Changer: That's truth?
Eric Dubay: Let me copy/paste the definition of libel for you to read, Jeran...
Jeranism Changer: No it sin't
Josh Bailey: lol, eric tuck your tale in bro tongue emoticon
Jeranism Changer: Lol;
Jeranism Changer: Eric can you not just admit that your forum clan is a little over- protective and they are going to get you in trouble
Josh Bailey: Jeran, can the recording be uploaded to your channel?
Jeranism Changer: IM A GOOD GUY
EDIT: Please be aware that everything here is verbatim according to Dubay's forums, All I have done is format it so it's easier to read
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